RE: Why knocking is so important.
August 13, 2014 at 11:34 am
(This post was last modified: August 13, 2014 at 11:36 am by Simon Moon.)
(August 13, 2014 at 8:52 am)Drich Wrote:(August 12, 2014 at 11:36 am)Simon Moon Wrote: If I do not currently presuppose a god exists, how am I to 'examine and quest for the truth of God'?
How is this any different than 'faking it 'til I make it'?
The biggest problem with your A/S/K 'method' is that no matter how much we tell you that we tried, you have a built in, ready to go reason why it didn't work.
"You didn't try for long enough"
"You weren't sincere enough"
Or whatever...
Since you are so convinced, it has to be something we are doing wrong, and nothing to do with the real possibility that you are simply wrong, and that you have been convinced for bad reasons.
It's like anything else that your unsure of. lets say it is like lazer eye surgery. It's been around for a while, and there are many who have had the proceedure and for them it works out great. But for you your still uncertain. So how would you go about prooving to your self that lazer eye surgery is good for you?
You ask around to people who have had it, you go on line and research and if your serious you talk to a Doctor until you come to a conclusion
Dont look now but that is the ASK SEEK KNOCK method working in a non Spiritual context. (No Faith required)
In the same way when we are looking for God we ask People, and in prayer. We seek in places like this, and we knock by repeating the fore mention process till we get what we were looking for.
It's nothing like laser eye surgery.
And it's nothing like doing the research to figure out if I want to take the minor risk and have it done.
What a horribly flawed analogy.
I can prove that laser eye surgery exists. I can have the Dr. show my the device. I can go to the pertinent literature and research the track record of successes, failures, side effects, etc.
The people that have had it done, can provide evidence that they have had it done. I don't have to take their faith based word for it. There are tests that can be performed to actually test if the surgery was successful. There are none for Christianity.
It also does not matter what sort of supernatural presuppositions they have, they will all have similar results. A group of Muslims that have had the surgery, will have the same results as a group of Hindus, or Christians. With the A/S/K technique to work, you have to presuppose a god that can be communicated with exists in the first place.
On every possible level, your analogy fails.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.