Why knocking is so important.

[FlowingFlame]

Again I am not looking at titles nor religious terminology. I am looking at what the believer believes. Enlightment salvation who says they are not the same if one were to only look at the words we elect to use. It is the definations and how the words are used in conjunction to what is believed that determines whether a man stands of falls before God.

I don't care if you were looking for it. You were projecting your own beliefs ("what the believer believes" as you put it) as what God thinks and assume you're right. YOU think KUSA failed and thus assume God believes the same. You either presume to know God's thoughts or know better than him. MANY Xtians will disagree with you on this. So unless you're the one that got it right you are Self Projecting As God. SPAG.

That is why I said the focous is not on works, rather Belief that fosters works.

Knowing God is not about behaivor. Biblicaly Christianity centers relationship, not the way we act.

What you actually said was that works aren't important, not that belief leads to them. If you said this in some other post and I missed it then my mistake.

Well, good luck with that line of reasoning.

Funny, considering I used YOUR line of reasoning, i.e. seeking a relationship with God ("If you seek the God of the bible, as presented in the bible you will given the Holy Spirit.") and accepting what you find as true. How do you know that one of God's many persona (It can appear as anything it wants and works in mysterious ways, right?) isn't a lesbian? How do you know that God wasn't leading me further into lesbianism, thus leading me to my current career of serving and saving others, through my young prayers? Could it be because you've already preconceived to know what God is and how It thinks/acts/feels?

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Is it your belief that Zeus is an active/currently being worshiped deity?

Obviously not. More importantly, if they have to be active to deserve worship one wonders why God isn't personally joining the conflict in Israel right now. Could it be that he's terrified of our modern Iron Chariots?

Judges 1:19 - And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.

God seems pretty damn inactive lately which is odd given so many people spitting in the face of his decrees. Funny how now, with all our modern recording equipment, the big man goes all quiet and you have to look within yourself to find him rather than all the dick waving he used to do.

For the Bible based Christian it is not the reward. Heaven for the Bible Based Christian is simply a venue, where our most precious commodities are common place building materials. Your think of catholisim or Muslim beliefs in the after life.

Definitely gonna call bullshit on this one.

Matthew 5:12 - Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

Matthew 16:27 - For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. (Works are unimportant!)

Revelation 22:12 - “Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay each one for what he has done."

I could go on and on but let's go with the big one.

1 Corinthians 2:9 - But, as it is written,

“What no eye has seen, nor ear heard,
nor the heart of man imagined,
what God has prepared for those who love him”—

Seems pretty damn cut and dry to me that you're being offered an untold splendor of rewards for signing on.

I do not disagree.

Matthew 25:41 - “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."

"Follow me or burn in hell!" - Jesus

Then why do you worship such a being?

EDIT - Copy/Pasted some verses instead of linking to them.