Why knocking is so important.

[Drich]

I don't care if you were looking for it. You were projecting your own beliefs ("what the believer believes" as you put it) as what God thinks and assume you're right. YOU think KUSA failed and thus assume God believes the same. You either presume to know God's thoughts or know better than him.

Not only did I assume this i demonstrated it.

Because Kusa's Atheism like your own Atheism is caused by the lack of evidence of what you thought God was. As I pointed out in scripture God does not support these 'Houses built on sand.' So Kusa's belief/house was washed away by the rain/trials/experiences in life.

Now the only other option was that your belief was correct and you both received 'Proof' of God in the way of the Holy Spirit, and you simply turned you back on Him anyway. If this happened then that makes you a misotheist and not an atheist. Which is why i prefaced my arguement with "Your Atheism is caused by..."

MANY Xtians will disagree with you on this. So unless you're the one that got it right you are Self Projecting As God. SPAG.

-or- I just whiped you with some good ole fashion logic and reasoning.

That is why I said the focous is not on works, rather Belief that fosters works.

Knowing God is not about behaivor. Biblicaly Christianity centers relationship, not the way we act.

What you actually said was that works aren't important, not that belief leads to them. If you said this in some other post and I missed it then my mistake.

I did and i said it here as well in what you have highlighted.

Biblical Christianity does indeed center on relationship not to the exclusion of works. Meaning if the center is on relationship, then it stands to reason it can't also center on work as well. The second quote should have clarified this if you were not on a witch hunt.

Funny, considering I used YOUR line of reasoning, i.e. seeking a relationship with God ("If you seek the God of the bible, as presented in the bible you will given the Holy Spirit.") and accepting what you find as true. How do you know that one of God's many persona (It can appear as anything it wants and works in mysterious ways, right?) isn't a lesbian?

Again basic logic and reasoning..
My primary parameter in what you quoted, was "that we are to seek God as presented in the bible."

God being a Father would immediately disqualify the lesbian theory. Secondly if we are using the bible as a guidline God has identified homosexuality as a sin. God is sinless therefore again God can not qualify as a lesbian.

How do you know that God wasn't leading me further into lesbianism, thus leading me to my current career of serving and saving others, through my young prayers?

Two reasons come to mind right away Psalm 23 more over the bit where "God leads us not into temptation and He delivers us from evil.." and the Story of the prodigal son/gay daughter (in this case.) In the story the father did not take the son and show him how the best ways to party. He simply let Him go to do what suited him, and waited for his return.

If your gay it's because that is what suits you. when you want to return home then know your Father has made perperations for you to be able to do that.

Could it be because you've already preconceived to know what God is and how It thinks/acts/feels?

Actually no. I was brought up into thinking God hates fags, I had to change that thought, move from what was comfortable to me and embrace what the bible actually says God says about homosexuals.

That it is a sexual sin like anyother and needs the same forgiveness that I myself needed. I wanted their to be a great gulf between my sins and that of the 'gays.' I found out their wasn't.

So no. God was not who i wanted Him to be.

Obviously not. More importantly, if they have to be active to deserve worship one wonders why God isn't personally joining the conflict in Israel right now. Could it be that he's terrified of our modern Iron Chariots[/url]?

maybe you could be more antisemetic and ask why God did not help the germans wipe them out all together.

Judges 1:19 - And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.

You do not seem to be aware of what the book of Judges is about.
Everything in Judges 1&2 is about the punishment of Israel. Both book catalog a cycle of sin, punishment in the way of God handing the jews over to their enemies, the jews repenting, God delivering them, and the process repeating over and over each time getting worse and worse.

So an example in Judges 1 would be an example of God handing the jews over to their enemies.

Who is to say this is not happening now?

God seems pretty damn inactive lately which is odd given so many people spitting in the face of his decrees.

Again prodigal son. When a rebellious son wants to leave God let him go. If you think God should act differently, then perhaps this is where your house built on the sand has failed you and the reason why you do not see or hear from God.

Funny how now, with all our modern recording equipment, the big man goes all quiet and you have to look within yourself to find him rather than all the dick waving he used to do.

There are many many happenings that can not be explained, so rather than give God any credit they are explained as anomalies or 'mutations.'

For the Bible based Christian it is not the reward. Heaven for the Bible Based Christian is simply a venue, where our most precious commodities are common place building materials. Your think of catholisim or Muslim beliefs in the after life.

Definitely gonna call bullshit on this one.

ooo, goodie I likes it when use guys gets froggy and what to play with scripture.

Matthew 5:12 - Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

Read it again, and then read what I wrote again. I said Heaven is just a venue. Mat 5:12 says Heaven is just the venue. "Great Is Your Reward IN Heaven" (The bolding and font size change was mine, added for emphasis)

Matthew 16:27 - For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. (Works are unimportant!)
Revelation 22:12 - “Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay each one for what he has done."

Where did i say works are unimportant? I said they were not the focous.

I could go on and on but let's go with the big one.

1 Corinthians 2:9 - But, as it is written,

“What no eye has seen, nor ear heard,
nor the heart of man imagined,
what God has prepared for those who love him”—

Seems pretty damn cut and dry to me that you're being offered an untold splendor of rewards for signing on.

Again for the bible based Christian the reward is not the goal. I did not say we weren't getting anything. For the Muslim paradise/heaven is the end goal. For the Christian Heaven is simply a venue where our most precious things are common place. This means what we hold up as precious is meaningless. This implies that what we have enstore far exceeds anything we can currently imagine. What good is a reward to you now can not pathom? So then the reward becomes a secondary measure to what we have been assured of. A Relationship with God.

Matthew 25:41 - “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."

"Follow me or burn in hell!" - Jesus

Then why do you worship such a being?

EDIT - Copy/Pasted some verses instead of linking to them.

Because I dont have a problem with sending unbelievers to Hell. For them it is better than their alternitive. It is a point of mercy.[/quote]

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This method is the very same method we apply in every day life. It is as reliable as you are faithful to your quest for truth.

Rubbish. It is nowhere near the same method we apply in every day life.

In everyday life I use all my senses to verify reality. I also use verification of others to see if my perception of reality coincides with theirs.

I can guarantee you don't use the A/S/K method in every day life. Your continued survival is evidence that you don't.

Still live with mom do you?

I am in sales as apart of my Job and I have to ask seek and knock every single day. Anyone who does not have life provided to them does as well. you just may not have been trained to think in such away as to see your A/S/King as such.