God's injustice towards Adam and Eve

[Statler Waldorf]

You're a troll.

Nope, but I’ve been called worse on here.

Maybe you could mine my past posts to see where I've ever said the things you think I believe. Let's see...

If you’re a consistent atheist then there are certain things I know that you must believe. If you’re an inconsistent one then you’ve got some holes in your conceptual scheme.

"Bag of meat" - Never said it.

Neither did I.

"Just water and tissue" - Never said it.

If all that exists is matter (as atheists espouse), then why would a human being have any more transcendent value than any other material system?

"That should have been destroyed in the womb" - Never said it.

Why not? If there’s no life after death and no ultimate judgment for our actions then why not destroy those who would not live a life that we deemed “worth living” before they are born? I assume that’s why you posted the picture; you thought that their lives were horrible right?

"Out-competing" for resources - Never said it.

I assume that you’re not a malnourished as they.

"Spreading genes for no reason" - Never said it.

You’re not a Darwinist?

"Pointless uncertain future" - Never said it.

You know what tomorrow will bring and that there will even be a tomorrow? How?

Why does that picture bother me? Who said it did?

Of course it doesn’t, you’re an atheist. That’s my point; none of this means anything in an atheistic Universe.

I'm curious about your version of god's 'purpose' for allowing his creation [which he obviously loves ] to suffer if he's as 'loving' as you claim.

We’re fallen rebellious creatures. We all deserve to wake up in Hell. This means that every breath we take, every meal we have, every drink we have are all gracious gifts from God. No matter how painful, how horrific a person’s life may seem, it is always better than the fate they actually deserve. This grace was made possible by Christ’s work on the cross. It does not stop there though, God has a special love for his people and has given them eternal life and glorification. Many of those people live in Africa today and that is why the gospel has taken such strong roots there. A lifetime of hunger is worth an eternity with God. Those children were created in the image of God and that is precisely why they have transcendent value, and that is why we do so much to help them.

Shall I group you in with Westborough Baptist Church as you've grouped me with some other atheists? Shove your prejudice up Jesus' ass!

I have not grouped you in with anyone; I simply know what you ought to believe as a consistent atheist. If you’re going to claim the title you’re going to have to claim that baggage that comes with it. I am not sure why that touches such a nerve.

That's quite a funny response considering how closely it follows your long and boring gishgallop asserting over and over again that, in your universe, humans are just created objects that have no more right to exist than does any fictional character or inanimate object, and that this is happening to them only because they completely deserve it.

Why would a human have a right to exist in an atheistic Universe? Does a computer have a right to exist? Does a mountain? A planet? It’s all just matter my friend. Christianity gives humans a transcendent value because only they were created in the image of their creator.

I don't wonder why the picture doesn't appear to bother you in the slightest.

Where did I say it doesn’t? Christians are the ones actually doing something about it though.

“Now a confirmed atheist, I've become convinced of the enormous contribution that Christian evangelism makes in Africa: sharply distinct from the work of secular NGOs, government projects and international aid efforts. These alone will not do. Education and training alone will not do. In Africa Christianity changes people's hearts. It brings a spiritual transformation. The rebirth is real. The change is good.

I used to avoid this truth by applauding - as you can - the practical work of mission churches in Africa. It's a pity, I would say, that salvation is part of the package, but Christians black and white, working in Africa, do heal the sick, do teach people to read and write; and only the severest kind of secularist could see a mission hospital or school and say the world would be better without it. I would allow that if faith was needed to motivate missionaries to help, then, fine: but what counted was the help, not the faith.

But this doesn't fit the facts. Faith does more than support the missionary; it is also transferred to his flock. This is the effect that matters so immensely, and which I cannot help observing.” - Matthew Parris

http://old.richarddawkins.net/articles/3...-needs-god

We evolved to form an advanced "herd" mentality where we don't just care for our young like most all mammals, or our nearby neighbors like elephants, but also for far away and conceptual members of our species.

When we do not care for others in our species did we evolve that behavior as well?