(August 18, 2014 at 3:27 am)bennyboy Wrote:But then what can we resort to? Souls, spirits and gods? Please tell me, because to me it looks like what humanity has been doing since the dawn of time with things it could not understand.(August 18, 2014 at 3:03 am)oukoida Wrote: But our neurons do it all the time... I don't understand why one should go out of his way and try to special plead metaphysics into existence. So far, the materialistic mindset is the one that gave us all of our understanding of the world. Why should we not even try to explain consciousness with it?You can try to explain anything with anything. But trying to explain consciousness with a model which is almost deliberately designed to ignore consciousness doesn't seem like an approach likely to yield meaningful results.
Quote:If you think a mechanical explanation is sufficient to explain consciousness, then you have to actually make that explanation. You don't get to just wave at the brain and say, "Well, obviously, it's happening in there somewhere." Maybe it is, or maybe correlation isn't causation.
My pointing at a materialist solution doesn't mean I am capable of giving a fully detailed explanation of how it works. I'm just saying that given the (very limited) evidence we have, materialism cannot be thrown out of the window so hastily.
I agree that correlation does not necessarily imply causation, but realistically, where else should we be looking for consciousness?
"Every luxury has a deep price. Every indulgence, a cosmic cost. Each fiber of pleasure you experience causes equivalent pain somewhere else. This is the first law of emodynamics [sic]. Joy can be neither created nor destroyed. The balance of happiness is constant.
Fact: Every time you eat a bite of cake, someone gets horsewhipped.
Facter: Every time two people kiss, an orphanage collapses.
Factest: Every time a baby is born, an innocent animal is severely mocked for its physical appearance. Don't be a pleasure hog. Your every smile is a dagger. Happiness is murder.
Vote "yes" on Proposition 1321. Think of some kids. Some kids."
Fact: Every time you eat a bite of cake, someone gets horsewhipped.
Facter: Every time two people kiss, an orphanage collapses.
Factest: Every time a baby is born, an innocent animal is severely mocked for its physical appearance. Don't be a pleasure hog. Your every smile is a dagger. Happiness is murder.
Vote "yes" on Proposition 1321. Think of some kids. Some kids."