RE: Why knocking is so important.
August 19, 2014 at 3:25 pm
(This post was last modified: August 19, 2014 at 3:34 pm by Drich.)
(August 19, 2014 at 12:44 pm)oukoida Wrote:Ah, no. Again God is an complete independent and autonomous being. The fact that many of you have your own view of God that has failed under scrutiny causing you to abandon your faith is testament to that.drippy Wrote:Only God is perfect, only God is Good.
We know the bible is accurate because in the bible their are promises. If one does XYZ he will get 123. I know the bible is accurate because the one perfect and good God has kept His end of the deal after i kept mine.
Let me get this straight:
At first, I know that the Bible is not infallible and there might be errors here and there.
The bible tells me about its god and makes promises (all of them quite vague and indeterminate) ==> I do what the bible tells me to (aka wish REALLY hard) ==> the promises are fulfilled ==> God exists and it's the one of the Bible, which therefore becomes accurate.
This is what is getting through of your position.
This system is flawed because you have no way of knowing if the result is real or just a figment of your imagination caused by wishful thinking and confirmation bias.
That is, you are (unconsciously) actually starting from the conclusion (god exists) because it's an idea you happen to like, and then you try to justify and rationalize your belief through scripture.
To know God is not apart of your imagination is much like the experience of knowing that anyother person of you life is not imaginary. Their is direct and constant input that often times opposes your own ideas and values.
(August 19, 2014 at 12:44 pm)oukoida Wrote: Let me get this straight:i might know of one.
At first, I know that the Bible is not infallible and there might be errors here and there.
Quote:The bible tells me about its god and makes promises (all of them quite vague and indeterminate) ==>do you have an example?
What is offered in luke 11 is spelled in plain english.
Quote:I do what the bible tells me to (aka wish REALLY hard) ==> the promises are fulfilled ==> God exists and it's the one of the Bible, which therefore becomes accurate.you have read anything have you.
Quote:This is what is getting through of your position.Actually i did not start from a position that God exists. I start a netural position to see if any thing existed outside this life.[/quote]
This system is flawed because you have no way of knowing if the result is real or just a figment of your imagination caused by wishful thinking and confirmation bias.
That is, you are (unconsciously) actually starting from the conclusion (god exists) because it's an idea you happen to like, and then you try to justify and rationalize your belief through scripture.