Tactics and making progress.

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Well, I DO think that (most) taxes are bad, by definition. I don't see how it's moral for a group to have the power to force a person to give up SIGNIFICANT portions of their income.

Once someone says stupid shit like this, there is no point in going any further. But I'll try anyway.

PAY GAP, it is that simple. And if you would look at what caused the great depression and our great recession it was because of no rules no regulations and tax breaks for the rich. You look at what built the middle class it was high taxes and investment If you continually cut taxes everyone else has to compensate for what you do not pay. That means companies like EXXON AND GE who pay no taxes the rest of us have to pay, and when we cannot pay, they gut programs the rest of us use. It funnels the money upwards.

Now it would be immoral if we did not have elections, but since we have elections that means every class has the right to compete to write laws, not one class.

I think what would be easy on those with wealth if they do not want government on their backs is to give directly to workers livable wages. But it is our government, not just theirs.

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Okay, see, THAT RIGHT THERE, that's you attempting to dismiss me or any argument I make as just "stupid" or "moronic". You're not even giving my viewpoint, my political opinions the respect they deserve by addressing them fairly when you do this.

And you haven't addressed my question: Why does government HAVE TO assume the role of "Every-Service-Imaginable Provider"? If they were to ELIMINATE extraneous programs, then they wouldn't NEED to tax us out the ass. Take for example the Post Office: A stamp is a tax. Why should we PAY to send a message to someone and wait several days for it to arrive when we have Email Providers who can send mail INSTANTLY and FOR FREE? Money in the mail? PayPal. Electronic Money Transfer. Packages? Well, we've got businesses that CAN BE HELD FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR A PACKAGE LOSS, and they can move packages just as cheaply and quickly as the Post Office does. IN FACT, these companies COMPETE for your business, so they do it cheaper, faster, safer, and more reliably than the last guy. So why is the government raping us over a barrel for our money to pay for an outdated service?