Why knocking is so important.

[Drich]

The point remains, though - why would you use the bible at all? It couldn't be that that's the only way you can even know anything about your god, could it?

Ah, screw it; why am I even bothering to ask? Cue lame rationalisation and/or deflection in 3... 2... 1...

We use the bible as a guideline because the Holy Spirit is not the only entity that gives revelation. (Mormonism and Islam) are two good examples.

Before my revelation of Hell I thought it to be a place of physical fire and demon tormentors that would last forever.. I experienced something quite different. Early in my walk he. Asked to explain the away the discrepancies I couldn't. Now after reading and studing the bible I can see what I experienced matches what the bible says.

For me in that instance the bible becomes a source of confirmation.

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You guys who put all your eggs in the falsifiablity basket should read what this artical on Princton.edu has to say.
http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/w...ility.html

It is not the catch all arguement you all seem to think it is. In short falsifiability is only a valid precept when testing a scientific or the philosphy of science claim. Life experience, religion and philosphy do not require Falsifiablity.

Even so the claim being made will be determined true or false at the final judgement.

The falsifiability basket is superior to the gullibility basket for egg keeping.

You don't understand falsifiability. A deist creator god that is said to exist outside our universe is not falsifiable. This attribute of your God is also not falsifiable; however, all the other attributes assigned to your God that interact with our universe are falsifiable.

So you believe (and by default your kudo-ers also believe) the defination I provided with a link to Princeton.edu doesn't not portray falsifiability accurately?

Then please with some greater authority (than your say so) provide proof that your beliefs trump what is being taught on the subject at Princeton. Or are you simply a man of 'faith'?

I forgot who said it but it was said that 'faith is for those who do not want to know the truth.' Are you a man of this kind of faith?

No? Then show me. Show me a reference stronger than the one I provided or conceed the point and admit that you were wrong.

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In short Asking/Seeking brings one to Atheism. Knocking takes them back out. If you are still in Atheism you have not completed the knocking portion of the task we were given.

Since it has obviously worked for you, you should inform us, in depth, of every single exact thing one must do in order to properly knock and get an answer. No metaphors. No vague statements. No bible quotes, unless you care to translate them so that we have clear and explicit guidance. Leave as little as possible open to interpretation. Nothing short of maximally-precise step-by-step instructions will be adquate, because if you're right, we obviously need them.

I said this a few dozen times now.

We ask in prayer, nothing fancy. Just a "dear God, if your up there show me what I need to see and or experience to establish and maintain a belief."
We seek in reading the bible, asking questions in places like this and church, and we simply open mindedly follow where ever that leads us.
(If in church it could lead you to atheism for a time) if in atheism it can lead you back if you let it, and if you continue to being faithful to this process. (Knocking)

That's it

The only faith that is required is that of a mustard seed. (The smallest bit) I believe that can be found in the prayer portion. And even then you do not have to pray aloud with your eyes closed. Just earnestly in you mind, ask god to open you eyes ears and heart so you can see, hear and receive Him.

You can even keep posting your regular venom, but eventually you will simply not want to.

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You don't have time to be a wiseass, Drich. You've got souls to save.

There is always time for wise assery. Especially at stimbo's expense .

And I can't save anyone. All I am here for is to answer any questions or to provide clarity one May have about biblical Christianity.

The saving has already been done, all anyone need do is accept it.

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Since it has obviously worked for you, you should inform us, in depth, of every single exact thing one must do in order to properly knock and get an answer. No metaphors. No vague statements. No bible quotes, unless you care to translate them so that we have clear and explicit guidance. Leave as little as possible open to interpretation. Nothing short of maximally-precise step-by-step instructions will be adquate, because if you're right, we obviously need them.

I asked him that back at the beginning of the thread, and all I got back was "you just do it!" Which isn't surprising in the least, as keeping things vague means it can't be falsified, and he can sit there in lofty superiority over us because we can't manage something so simple.

What post number?

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Maybe you should go back click on the like I provided for messenger/ message, you seem to be lost-y

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Luke 11 applies to you as well.

She once was losty, but now she's found. She's right there.

I was blind, but now I can see that.