Why knocking is so important.

[Drich]

That's the point though, isn't it Drich? You have to check your bible to interpret your warm fuzzies, because there's no other framework in which you can distort your experiences to get a preconceived answer. You've made AiG's mission statement your personal mantra: no evidence can be accepted if it runs counter to the bible. You don't worship a god; you worship a book. Which is doubly sad, given what book it is.

How is what I do different from any other learned behavior? At some point understanding comes from a book, and from this foundation greater understandings can be obtained.

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Luke 11 applies to you as well.

Irrelevant. God has still not offered me anything.

Define "offer you."

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You know, Drich. Back when I was still trying to believe the bullshit I got down on my knees and fucking begged for a sign.

Got crickets.

Your a/s/k bullshit works just fine for people who already harbor belief. For people who've realized it's all bullshit, not so much. You trolling a/s/k isn't going to change anything. It pure bullshit, just like the rest of that book of voodoo you cling to so desperately.

How do you know your atheism is not apart of the answer to your prayer?

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So basically, what we're saying is A/S/K is great for confirming what you already know or want to be true. Not so much for actually determining truth in the first place.

How did you come to this conclusion? A/s/k is used anytime we strive to obtain something not readily avaiable.

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What post number?

25. I asked quite clearly what the limits were to this test of yours, so that it could be falsified, and your response was to just compare the search for god with the search for a wife, despite the fact that we can all confirm that women exist, and when asked exactly how long one should persist with whatever it is you want us to do, you just said "god is infinite."

Do you have your answer now?

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The whole process of A/S/King presumes a god to exist in the first place. It's just another horseshit ploy.

How in asked is one presuming anything? To a/s/k is to search for truth

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I'll throw in a free anecdote to illustrate that point.

A few years ago, a young lady of my acquaintance found herself being assessed by social services with a view to removing her young son into the care system, and thence adoption. I was heavily involved and in fact wrote my own report on their report, highlighting all their gross distortions and omissions (got commended by her solicitor for it, too).

Anyway, after the assessment workers had delivered their report, we had many heated discussions over the phone with the social workers and guardian. They would point to something in the report which said that the assessors had witnessed such and such. I would immediately point out that the assessors were wrong and the report was misleading, and present evidence why. The response was just to point to another part of the report. Try as we might, we just couldn't get through to them that it's pointless justifying a report, false or otherwise, with another part of the same report.

Sorry stimbo I do not see the connection. I see the one your inferring but it is not valid. As what we witness outside the 'report' is being compared to the report, and not sections of the report being compared just to other sections.

Your thinking of a catch all anecdote to answer circular logic. What you don't seem to understand is your circle is broken when outside evidence is being compared to source material. We do this all the time in life. For instance when your driving on a trip, and are using gps or a map. The map does not determine the landscape nor does it tell the roads which way to go. It simple records the geography so that one can compare his experiences to what the documentation records.

Sorry stims but the bible works the same way, and again your story does not apply.

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Sorry, but is it really worth my time? No it's not.
You can just ignore that comment from me then, I must have been confused by whatever you said. I didn't click the like. I always wonder why you call it that. Is it an auto correct glitch?

when one is saddled with dyslexia one has an auto-incorrect glitch built in and sometimes even if I were to proof read something a dozen times I would not catch that mistake.

It's a thorn given to me to keep me from getting too out of control.

God himself has never offered me anything. Not ever.

how do you know that? If God were to offer it personally, would you in your heart recognize Him if He decided to go any other way besides master and commander of the universe?

Do you really know the shepards voice when call by him?

So I don't know what this offer you got from god is, but I didn't get it.

if you don't know what it is or who God is out side the failed picture that you yourself determined is not real, then how can you say you did not get an offer from him?

Can you give me some advice on how I should go about asking, seeking, and knocking? I apparently did it wrong before.

We ask in prayer, nothing fancy. Just a "dear God, if your up there show me what I need to see and or experience to establish and maintain a belief."
We seek in reading the bible, asking questions in places like this and church, and we simply open mindedly follow where ever that leads us.
(If in church it could lead you to atheism for a time) if in atheism it can lead you back if you let it, and if you continue to being faithful to this process. (Knocking)

That's it

The only faith that is required is that of a mustard seed. (The smallest bit) I believe that can be found in the prayer portion. And even then you do not have to pray aloud with your eyes closed. Just earnestly in you mind, ask god to open you eyes ears and heart so you can see, hear and receive Him. And the most important part is to keep doing it till you find Him.

Once you let go of a time frame and an expectation, and are willing to give you life to this pursuit if nessary, at that moment or short there after God will show up.

Starting with Spiritual fruit, and then moving onto Spiritual gifts. The more faithful you are to what He gives the more you will receive.[/quote]

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It's not that I care much, but I'm feeling left out

Out of what?

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Well considering there is a ton of evidence that the brain can do a lot of these things. I understand the feelings, however the brain and make you feel a lot of things.

Again, what God offers is what you need to establish and maintain a solid belief. For most 'feelings' don't cut it.