RE: Why knocking is so important.
August 22, 2014 at 4:31 pm
(This post was last modified: August 22, 2014 at 4:36 pm by Ryantology.)
(August 22, 2014 at 9:22 am)Drich Wrote:(August 21, 2014 at 9:20 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: Since it has obviously worked for you, you should inform us, in depth, of every single exact thing one must do in order to properly knock and get an answer. No metaphors. No vague statements. No bible quotes, unless you care to translate them so that we have clear and explicit guidance. Leave as little as possible open to interpretation. Nothing short of maximally-precise step-by-step instructions will be adquate, because if you're right, we obviously need them.
I said this a few dozen times now.
We ask in prayer, nothing fancy. Just a "dear God, if your up there show me what I need to see and or experience to establish and maintain a belief."
We seek in reading the bible, asking questions in places like this and church, and we simply open mindedly follow where ever that leads us.
(If in church it could lead you to atheism for a time) if in atheism it can lead you back if you let it, and if you continue to being faithful to this process. (Knocking)
That's it
The only faith that is required is that of a mustard seed. (The smallest bit) I believe that can be found in the prayer portion. And even then you do not have to pray aloud with your eyes closed. Just earnestly in you mind, ask god to open you eyes ears and heart so you can see, hear and receive Him.
You can even keep posting your regular venom, but eventually you will simply not want to.
That's vague and full of metaphors. It's precisely what I didn't ask for.
Which specific parts do I read? Which specific questions do I ask? To whom, specifically, do I ask them? What is the response I'm supposed to look for? How can I confirm that the response is authentic? What, specifically, do I do to be absolutely certain that I'm actually hearing the Christian god and not some other god, or my own imagination? How can I know with absolute certainty that the answer isn't just confirming a bias?
And why must I have any faith at all to get an answer? Why should my complete skepticism stop him from giving me an answer? I want the truth. I want to know it's the truth, and I want to know it's the truth in spite of whatever faith I may or may not have. With even a mustard seed of faith, I'm putting mud in the water and I simply can't trust any results I get.
That aside, you can't simply choose to have faith in something. It's not a switch you can flip. I know you think we lack faith because we want to not believe in your god, but it's really because we can't believe in him without an objective reason for that belief to exist.
Those of us who call ourselves agnostic atheists do so because we have a mustard seed of 'faith' in the notion that we're not completely right. If that's not enough, then this is a completely buggered process from start to finish.