RE: On naturalism and consciousness
August 25, 2014 at 11:47 pm
(This post was last modified: August 25, 2014 at 11:50 pm by Surgenator.)
(August 25, 2014 at 10:46 pm)bennyboy Wrote:Please explain why it isn't like that.Quote:Again, it is like asking to explain the science of gravity, but complaining that I'm using science to do it.No, it's not like that.
Quote:Okay let's play a game. I'll claim that reality is intrinsically experiential, and that our interactions with the objective universe are a category of experience, and not provably more than that. You claim that the universe is intrinsically physical in nature, and then explain, since you are master of the proper use of Occam's razor, "ALL of the observable 'experiences'."
I would love to hear your explaination of your world view to a third party. You understand that I have to be an illusion created by your mind. Of course I'm assuming you are an idealistic Monist that follows the below definition.
Quote:Idealistic Monism: (also see the section on Idealism)How do you explain a third party? How would you explain consistency of 'experiences' and their repeatability between third parties? How would you explain new knowledge? Why don't people change in to rabbits like they do in your dreams?
This doctrine (also called Mentalistic Monism) holds that the mind is all that exists (i.e. the only existing substance is mental), and that the external world is either mental itself, or an illusion created by the mind. Thus, there is but one reality, immutable and eternal, which some (including the ancient Hindu philosophers) have termed God (Idealistic-Spiritual Monism), while others, such as the Pre-Socratic philosophers like Parmenides, were content to label as Being or "the One". This type of Idealistic Monism has recurred throughout history, from the Neoplatonists, to Gottfried Leibniz and George Berkeley, to the German Idealism of G. W. F. Hegel.
http://www.philosophybasics.com/branch_monism.html
My world view can explain these 'experiences' by a very simple model that there are more than one mind existing in a physical universe.
Quote:Hint: be prepared to present a plausible theory of the physical mechanism of mind.No, I don't need to explain the physical mechanism of the mind to understand that we are two minds in a physical reality.