(August 26, 2014 at 6:58 pm)bennyboy Wrote:Quote:Lets me you ask you this, where does the mind store its experiences in your world view?If it's a human mind, in the brain (at least as far as I can tell).
Quote:Monistic idealism holds that consciousness, not matter, is the ground of all being. It is monist because it holds that there is only one type of thing in the universe and idealist because it holds that one thing to be consciousness.The human brain is a mechanical element, i.e. a collection of neurons. It is not a consciousness. So again, where do you store your experiences?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idealism
Quote:The Turing test isn't a test of consciousness. It's a test of the ability of a machine to simulate the behaviors of a conscious person. To claim otherwise wouldn't be a conclusion based on observation, it would be an assumption-- one most people probably aren't willing to make.First the mind and now it's consciousness, congratulations on moving the goal post

Quote:Bullshit. Each of these processes has been demonstated to exist via science. Abiogenesis takes non living matter and changes it to living matter. Evolution takes the living matter and gets to neurons. Finally, a collection of neurons create a mind.Quote:We have subjective minds because everybodies experiences are slightly different. Using the ANN example, you should know that for the same training tasks the hidden nodes values would be different (if your neural network is complex enough) if the starting conditions are slightly different. Nevertheless, the end result would be very very similiar.That's a narrative, not a mechanical explanation.
Quote:No it is the explanation. The bundle of neurons in your brain are consistently trained over your lifetime. The training they get is different for each individual because each individual has a different experiences.That's like saying "The Father, the Son, the Holy Ghost, ta da." You've just put a bunch of words from your world view together. It neither confirms the validity of your model, nor explains how in your model, mind exists.
Abiogenesis + evolution + biological neural networks, ta da.
You still didn't answer why different subsets would have similiar experiences unless the subsets are similiar. In your monism world view, what guarantee's similiar subsets?