On naturalism and consciousness

[Mudhammam]

No I'm not. I'm stuck on the idea that everything I can know as a human being is based on experience, and that the source of those experiences cannot be determined.

It can be infered! Do you not understand how you can reasons things out?

What can be inferred is that an external object exists which makes an impression on your mind, which to your sensations appear be the constituents that you have conceptualized as a "desk." The nature of that object as it really exists, however, apart from its relation to your human experience of it, remains unknowable.

The problem is that you are asserting as reality a model which cannot explain the mind, cannot identify what physical systems do/do not have a mind, and does not include mind in any part of its calculus of mechanical interactions. The problem is you keep saying, "Mind is X," when you have no means of proving this to be the case.

And I disagree. We might be using different definitions of mind. What definition are you using?

I think I have to agree with Benny on this; the mind as arising from a complex configuration of objects, that in conjunction with one another form a subject that can in turn experience itself as a subject-apprehending-those-objects, is in no way explained by the current model of physics.

(My apologies in advance if you find my self-injection into your guys' conversation obnoxious--which I am enjoying immensely by the way).