RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
August 31, 2014 at 2:55 am
(This post was last modified: August 31, 2014 at 2:57 am by Esquilax.)
Fucking hell, it's the argument from fine tuning again. 
Listen up, Snowy. The only possible way that this fine tuning crap even is a problem for us is if you can demonstrate that the universe as it is now is a "success" state that was being aimed for, and for which it was possible to fail. From a purely naturalistic viewpoint a universe is a universe is a universe; no specific iteration has any greater or lower chance of existing than any other, and the fact that the universe as it is can support life is merely a coincidence, as it was not made to support life. Life is just a side effect of the way physics panned out.
Your argument only is one if we take life to be the end goal of the universe, and it isn't, or at least, you haven't even attempted to demonstrate that. Yes, your argument, your "evidence" that's going to convert us all, literally requires that we presuppose that the universe was created for life. If we don't, the entire thing vanishes. No longer an argument, and more of just a statement of probability in a context that we have no reason to care.
Good job.
Oh, and Snowy? You're a christian, right? Pretty interesting, then, that the "argument" you chose to make does not imply the christian god at all. Is your position so weak that you're reduced to simply arguing for deism and expecting that we won't notice? How is this going to convert us?

Listen up, Snowy. The only possible way that this fine tuning crap even is a problem for us is if you can demonstrate that the universe as it is now is a "success" state that was being aimed for, and for which it was possible to fail. From a purely naturalistic viewpoint a universe is a universe is a universe; no specific iteration has any greater or lower chance of existing than any other, and the fact that the universe as it is can support life is merely a coincidence, as it was not made to support life. Life is just a side effect of the way physics panned out.
Your argument only is one if we take life to be the end goal of the universe, and it isn't, or at least, you haven't even attempted to demonstrate that. Yes, your argument, your "evidence" that's going to convert us all, literally requires that we presuppose that the universe was created for life. If we don't, the entire thing vanishes. No longer an argument, and more of just a statement of probability in a context that we have no reason to care.
Good job.

Oh, and Snowy? You're a christian, right? Pretty interesting, then, that the "argument" you chose to make does not imply the christian god at all. Is your position so weak that you're reduced to simply arguing for deism and expecting that we won't notice? How is this going to convert us?

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