Why knocking is so important.

[Drich]

R2d2 did bring up a good point when he said that understanding gravity (believing in it)/having faith in what is known is how we can put things and people in orbit. If one does not have faith in what is known, flight would not be possible let alone space travel.

Like wise you can not believe in God for a time, or rather all the time we have been given in this life. However once this life is over your disbelief will not save you. Just like in the case of disbelief in gravity, you still will be affected. Because all are subject to God's judgement once your time here is over.

But that requires a god to exist in the first place, which you are yet to show is the case.

Again not my charge. All I am required to do is point out the mustard seed of faith need to find said proof, and to demonstrate (via gravity in this case) that no matter what we believe in, we use far more faith, in applying those beliefs in our lives.

Again, R2D2's Arguement that says shows belief in the understanding of gravity put planes in the air and ships in space.. Now how many trillions have we spent in the exercise of those beliefs?

Now compare that to what God asks.. That we ask seek and knock as outlined in luke 11. That's it.

If you or anyone else wants proof get off your ass and stop whining about it, just do what you have been told to do to get it

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We are not talking about God here sport, we are talking about gravity. To which I have provided at least 3 different verifiable links to proof to support my assertions, that point out to the misplaced faith you all have placed in your 'anti gravity' buddies have in their understanding of it.

You seem to have missed the point of the original message regarding that. In fact, you helped prove it by pointing to additional information which can be used to verify whether that faith is misplaced. By anyone, and to everyone. You have been arguing that A/S/K works on an individual level and cannot be verified in the way that gravity can, and you have shown exactly how the two are completely different: you can point at facts and knowledge about gravity and say "this is how it really works, and it can be verified these particular ways and will yield these specific results." Then you point at conjecture and anecdotes about A/S/K and say "you'll get the same results as me, and by the same results I mean they might be the same and they might be completely different."

Do you actually believe that those two types of "faith" are the same?

Did you ever once consider if God could be demonstrated or 'proofed' as gravity is proofed He would not be God? In short we have to have mastery over a force like gravity in order to predict how it works and how we can over come its force. If this were true of an all powerful God, he would not be all powerful would he?

Now ask yourself how does one obtain proof of an all powerful God? The short answer there is one does not get anything one is not given. Thankfully God offers proof if we first will humble ourselves and ask Him for it.


Faith is faith. Even with all of the proofs of gravity there are readily available online, how many where use to support any of the argument made against mine?

Why? Because what was believed in those other arguements were strictly faith based, and had no foundations. I'm not saying what was said was fabricated. What I am saying is that either those who were arguing with me were completely going off what they thought/had faith in their current knoweledge, or they saw where I was going and why I wanted them to provide the proof I was requesting, to beat them over the head with their proof in relation to how is would support this faith arguement.