(August 31, 2014 at 12:49 pm)Drich Wrote: Did you ever once consider if God could be demonstrated or 'proofed' as gravity is proofed He would not be God?I consider that if god was real, I would not need to demonstrate him. He would do it himself, on the same scale as pretty much every god does in the ancient texts that mention them. If god revealed himself to everyone and everyone said "I know now, he exists," would he suddenly blink out of existence? That doesn't make sense to me. I think that if I have to conjure up god through some ritual that seems more easy to get wrong than right and only reveals him to me in some vague manner, then maybe he isn't there.
Drich Wrote:Why? Because what was believed in those other arguements were strictly faith based, and had no foundations.But what they believed did have a foundation. The number they provided had a specific context, and you used information that has been arrived at via testing and research to provide more information. All of that information can be tested and verified under the conditions specified and produce the same results, yes?
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould
-Stephen Jay Gould