refuting misconceptions:1-women in Islam

[Scented Nectar]

about men using their hands its up to anyone to choose to be human or act as a monkey lol

Is it better to rape (which causes harm) or to masturbate (which causes no harm)? For a healthy man to think that rape is ok, he must be taught to not empathise with the victim. He must be convinced that she deserves it and it's his duty to punish her, and to have fun doing it. In other words, he must be taught by immoral dogmas, such as islam. If he is not naturally aroused by violence, he will only get aroused by it when falsely taught it is not really violence.

especially in the muslim world where the wife must always say yes to it in obedience.

wierd claim and i dont know why you are claiming this?

Do not the koran and muslim societies EXPECT it from wives? They are there to fuck and make babies. Also, to do housework. There are no other options for an adult woman.

why you are assuming that muslim girls dont enjoy sex?

Because most of them are missing their organs of sexual enjoyment, their clitorises. If they are lucky enough to be in the unmutilated minority, they must also be lucky enough to find their assigned husbands sexually attractive. Many women are dying from the mutilation too, by the way. In Africa 200 boys die every year from (non-sexually disabling when done correctly) circumcisions compared to more than 6,000,000 girls die from the (sexually disabling - that's why it's done!) mutilation every year, just in the Sudan alone. Here's a video with lots of facts from SkepChick on youtube (as ...user/rkwatson)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAlEcB4KNDo

where the hell are you getting your information from?? the punishment for the man who rape a woman is death for him not for the woman

Only when there are 4 male witnesses, or something similar. Tell us what the koran says about rape and other sex laws. Many rapes are not considered rapes by abrahamic religion believers. In almost all cases, in islamic countries, the rape victim is punished by the false claims that she did it willingly or wanted it to happen or in some way brought it upon herself. It is almost always declared to not be a rape when it really is. I would put a zillion links and videos here as proof, but we all know it is true, and it's too depressing to spend much time viewing. In some cases, she may not be blamed, but is expected to 'marry' her rapist.

I wish I could magically bring freedom to those countries who are currently stuck in an islamic theocracy, especially the women, since they are getting an especially shitty ride over there.

i have proven enough that this is not related to islam and the Quran says the contrary of what you are claiming wether you agree or dont that doesnt make a difference its your opinion

You have shown only parts that clearly do NOT offer equality or freedom to women. Your quotes all confirm what I think. You have not convinced me that I am under any misconceptions regarding how islam affects women.

again you are assuming that the women are forced to have sex with their husband and that they dont enjoy it.lool

Well, the ones living as mutilated muslim sexslave/'wives' probably get treated a lot better when they pretend you non-modern men are great lovers. Your future wife will probably do the same if she wants you to treat her well. She will want the approval of her husband, and therefore society, and therefore the god her society has convinced her is real. The genuine pleasure on her face afterwards is there because she is happy she pleased you, not because she had fun from the sex. She knows that if she has a good attitude that you like regarding sex, she will get your approval.

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Do not the koran and muslim societies EXPECT it from wives? They are there to fuck and make babies. Also, to do housework. There are no other options for an adult woman.

Clarification: By adult, I mean 9 years old (6 for the housework part), such as the prophet Mohammed's wife.

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You could try answering Scented Nectar for a start Else it seems you have no answer to her argument... and her argument would remain an uncontested conclusion, which would hardly support your "side?" of the argument

i dont see the question there

Maybe Sae is referring to my question about what harm you are saying I should expect to have coming for dressing in an just-as-uncovered-as-men style, having unmarried sex, and watching porn? Also, I'm wondering, do men also have the same harm coming to them for those same sex 'crimes'?

By the way, this reminds me. I have heard that if a woman chooses to dress in clothing designated as men's clothing, they are punished. If I wear a boring loose factory style workshirt, with a man's tshirt under, and workboots, am I still being immodest? Or does sexuality no longer apply here, meaning it's gender only, meaning that you still need to be able to quickly identify all the lower caste women in a crowd quickly, and that they of course can't work in many jobs that require comfortable clothing.