Why knocking is so important.

[Angrboda]

There's a difference here Drich. My faith in what science says about gravity can be confirmed by rational research, testing, and inspection. What you are asking us to have faith in is the truth of words in a two thousand year old book which we can't verify.

Which is also true about may of the theories and laws of science. Of those who hold to science as their God, how many are truly smart enough/have the resources to test all that they believe?

There are two answers here. First, enough have the resources to test the official figures and do so such that we can look to them with greater confidence in them than we can with most religious claims. Second, that it's possible in principle to do so with science is again something that can't be said for the religious claims you are making. So in two independent ways the pronouncements of science provide better justification for having confidence in them than your religious claim. The less justification and confidence, the greater the degree of faith required to hold something as true and believe it.

The two kinds of faith aren't in any way comparable. The rest is just window dressing.

when striped down to it's core, faith is faith.

No, that's exactly what is at issue. You don't get to just declare one whole side of the debate wrong on your say so. Faith is not faith, as argued above; faith comes in varying degrees and kinds, of which faith in religious claims tends to be the most extreme, as explained above. It takes much greater faith, based on less justification, to believe your religious claims. Faith is NOT faith.

To which none of this really even matters because everything I said had to do with the illustration of the faith needed to believe what ever set of numbers and or interpertation of said number needed. The fact that neither chuck or R2 did not or could not provide supporting documentation to their side of the arguement supports my illustration of the faith they had in what they believed...


They were supporting my purposed arguement the whole time, one of them figured it out, and dropped out of the arguement while your hero is still chasing his tail.

Yes, I realize that this was one of your "gotcha" traps that you are so proud of. Only problem is, they don't actually work. Your claims about them simply have you come across as a pretentious idiot. Seeing that I wasn't party to the original discussion, I won't expound upon it any further other than to say that even now, it's clear you don't understand the terms in question as well as you think you do, so in the end the "gotcha" is on you for looking like an ass and failing to persuade anybody.