RE: Do you ever doubt your atheism?
September 2, 2014 at 8:34 pm
(This post was last modified: September 2, 2014 at 8:37 pm by Mudhammam.)
(September 2, 2014 at 8:08 pm)whateverist Wrote:(September 2, 2014 at 6:48 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: The only meaningful idea of God, the one that I intended to convey, and the only one that deserves thoughtful consideration IMHO, is the deistic god; the free, necessary, infinite--but otherwise as of yet misunderstood--being from which all spacetime, matter, and energy have their origin.
I'm surprised you'd describe such a god as "necessary". What is it that we understand so well as to be able to say what is or isn't necessary to account for reality as we find it?
The other thing I'd like to know is how you can be sure that a single god was accountable for space, time and energy/matter. How does anyone know that gods do not work from a basic substrate which includes all of these? But if you insist that deist gods created everything from an absolute, unqualitfied nothing .. what created them?
I postulate necessary because of the infinite regress problem. The three logical possibilities as I understand them are 1. Caused, 2. Uncaused, and 3. Self-caused. 3. is a contradiction if terms and 1. only gets us where we began, so 2. would seem to be the only logical solution.
A multiplicity of necessary beings is a logical possibility, but these would also be finite beings, and it still seems to me that we could reduce their utility to a fundamental oneness in which we might say that together they comprise the supreme being.
I use the term "being" not in any sense of individuality, but in contrast from non-being, or non-existence. For all we know it could amount to a simple law of hyper-physicality.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza