RE: Science, faith, and theists
September 4, 2014 at 11:32 am
(This post was last modified: September 4, 2014 at 11:35 am by Ben Davis.)
(September 4, 2014 at 10:31 am)Michael Wrote: Sure, the prima facie evidence (not proof) of a creator is that there is something rather than nothing.That's a shoddy first-pass analysis. If this is representative of your standard of evidence, you're not even going to get your supposition off the ground. 2 main points here:
1. You've shifted the goalposts from 'god' to 'creator' (remember, your statement is 'God exists'). Further, because yours is a specific Catholic god, your evidence would need to account for discrete, defined attributes of that god.
2. That's not evidence for a creator, just for existence. For it to be evidence of a creator, you would need to demonstrate 2 things:
i. that application of design (a.k.a. creation) is necessary for existence
ii. that design was applied
Quote:1) Everything that has a beginning has a causeSo the cosmological argument is your next piece of 'evidence'? That's not evidence, it's not even a coherent argument.
2) The universe has a beginning
ergo
The universe has a cause.
Quote:Remember all that Ben wanted was some evidence to support a hypothesis. That has duly been suppliedNone of your 'evidence' supports any hypothesis let alone yours. Please, try again.
Sum ergo sum