RE: refuting misconceptions:1-women in Islam
June 9, 2010 at 12:47 pm
(This post was last modified: June 9, 2010 at 12:49 pm by AtheistPhil.)
(June 9, 2010 at 12:19 pm)mo3taz3nbar Wrote:You showed me that there is one interpretation of this verse that is respectful of women, I'll give you that. But the other interpretations aren't completely crazy though, and the way it's written make it possible to interpret it to justify complete control of the husband over their wife's body. What I'm saying is that it could've been written clearer !Quote:Well, maybe god should have gone into details regarding sex because it would surely have prevented the sexual abuses on women by their husband.first:the last of the verse which says and fear Allah remove any kind of abuse that can be done its not written for no reason.
second:God is talking with humans who have brain not everything must be said in details if the general concept and understanding exists
third:you are being unreasonable by claiming sexual abuses by husband to his wife after all this talking
And the story of Ayaan hirsi ali and the like tell us that some people actually use today that kind of interpretation.
(June 9, 2010 at 12:19 pm)mo3taz3nbar Wrote:1) this is another topic.Quote:1) you don't know my position on abortion.1-check the link i gave you the main reason of abortion is having sex before marriage thats more agressive than the punishment if done in public(doing in public is a must for that punishment)
2) this is a Tu quoque fallacy
3)I'd like to have the verse of the Qur'an about that stoning case
2-??????
3-there is no stoning verse in the Quran this punishment was known by sunnah and it depends on the ruler of the country the verse is about the punishment of having sex in public for the unmarried
2) follow the link to wikipedia on my previous post(click on "Tu quoque fallacy"). You're accusing the westerners of killing foetuses but that does not excuses or legitimizes the killings Islam condones.
3) You said earlier:
(June 8, 2010 at 12:21 pm)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: what the Quran says about having sex if aman and a woman cought having sex in public(witnessed by 4 persons)each of them get 80 lashes if not married and if married both will be stoned.Please specify if things come from the Qur'an or the Sunnah, it makes a big difference.
(June 9, 2010 at 12:19 pm)mo3taz3nbar Wrote:I've rephrased my point above.Quote:We talk about Freedom of the press when journalist can write whatever they want (as long as it doesn't infringe someone else's rights) without fearing any kind of punishment/condemnation.what does that has to do with islam or with the subject?we have freedom of speach in egypt i dont know about the other countries
We talk about Freedom of Speech when people can say whatever they want (as long as it doesn't infringe someone else's rights) without fearing that the police will arrest them for that.
Do you get the idea ?