(September 4, 2014 at 12:06 pm)Michael Wrote: I sense we might be at the end of this particular line of conversation, so I shall leave it there unless anyone does chip in with ideas of specific experiments.
...erm, my post, Michael?
(September 4, 2014 at 11:32 am)Ben Davis Wrote:(September 4, 2014 at 10:31 am)Michael Wrote: Sure, the prima facie evidence (not proof) of a creator is that there is something rather than nothing.That's a shoddy first-pass analysis. If this is representative of your standard of evidence, you're not even going to get your supposition off the ground. 2 main points here:
1. You've shifted the goalposts from 'god' to 'creator' (remember, your statement is 'God exists'). Further, because yours is a specific Catholic god, your evidence would need to account for discrete, defined attributes of that god.
2. That's not evidence for a creator, just for existence. For it to be evidence of a creator, you would need to demonstrate 2 things:
i. that application of design (a.k.a. creation) is necessary for existence
ii. that design was applied
Quote:1) Everything that has a beginning has a causeSo the cosmological argument is your next piece of 'evidence'? That's not evidence, it's not even a coherent argument.
2) The universe has a beginning
ergo
The universe has a cause.
Quote:Remember all that Ben wanted was some evidence to support a hypothesis. That has duly been suppliedNone of your 'evidence' supports any hypothesis let alone yours. Please, try again.
We can't help you with suggestions for experiments until you address these points.
Sum ergo sum