refuting misconceptions:1-women in Islam

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If it's so clear why does Abdullah Yusuf Ali doesn't make it clear in his translation:
2:222 [...]ye may approach them in any manner, time, or place ordained for you by Allah. For Allah loves those who turn to Him constantly and He loves those who keep themselves pure and clean.
2:223 Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will; but do some good act for your souls beforehand; and fear Allah.

i think you are right its not that clear in the translation but the arabic word used is really clear thats why i adviced you if you have anything you want to ask i can clarify as its the first time i notice that there is some words not clear in the translation as in arabic and i will ask for you for the best translation as my english is my second language so i may not be able to defirintiate complicated words

A simple "when your wife agrees" would have made it clear. And also, why couldn't they add that "the one who forces his wife shall be punished".

that specifying something but fear Allah is genaralized for any thing bad

I wished it wouldn't be unclear. But we have to be realistic, right now there are people in muslim countries who do use the "bad" interpretation. Not because they want to abuse their wife but because it is what they've been taught and what they honestly think that the Qur'an says (like the story in the movie "submission"). That's why I doubt that this verse is completely clear in arabic. But if you can explain to me in details what the arabic in this verse means I'll be glad to read it.

i have never seen someone interpreting this verse in a different way but maybe some of them ignore it but it cant be interpreted something else

Sorry, I was refering to the movie "Submission" by Theo Van Gogh and Ayaan Hirsi Ali, which depicts the interpretation of the verses 2:222-223 and the abuses justified by it. It was posted by Paul the human on the first page of this thread.

ok i will check it

because you can use birth control, and you can still force the two people to marry and have the child if there is one conceived outside of marriage. And abortions happens in married couples too!
In any case stoning both of them is certainly not a solution and it's barbaric!

the stoning is for the already married.and again for doing it in public you are not just doing that you are ruining the society by motivating people to do like that

You're trying to tell me that stoning people for an action that could have lead (in not even 1% of the times) to a situation where a decision concerning the life of a foetus has to be made is the right thing to do ?

if you are born in a country that apply that believe me you will never do it and if you did it you will be sure not to be seen by 4 persons its that easy

You're trying to tell me that stoning people for an action that could have lead (in not even 1% of the times) to a situation where a decision concerning the life of a foetus has to be made is the right thing to do ?

dont talk about killing a child that easy and its not about the 1% propability there are millions of babies killed because of that and again an agressive punishment is not to punish people its more like to stop them from doing ugly thing like killing babies if ther is a possibility to get a baby killed i would do anything to stop that

We don't stone people to death for attempted murder in the West, so I highly doubt you'll ever convince us that stoning people having sex outside of marriage is actually ethical.

of course i will not but you must believe that your ethics is based in what you are used to and there is a lot of things ignored in the west which is so bad like some people see that porn movies is ok for the women we see it as its sooo humilating so its not about ethics as its about the results you may get by doing something which is really very ugly i just mentioned abortion but there are many other things like aids for example believe me the results is so more bad thats why there is agressive punishment for doing this in public as you are not just doing a wrong thing but you are motivating others to do like you