RE: Do you ever doubt your atheism?
September 5, 2014 at 1:18 pm
(This post was last modified: September 5, 2014 at 1:22 pm by Mudhammam.)
(September 5, 2014 at 12:51 pm)Brian37 Wrote: To the original poster at the beginning of the thread.I was only relaying what struck me as the vague notion of God outlined in classic philosophical disputes and the similarities exhibited in certain scientific discoveries, such as 1) the apparent reality that something is eternal and outside of both spacetime and matter/energy, whether we call it a multiverse, a quantum foam or vacuum state (I have to brush up on the "Big Bounce" theory Diablo linked to so that might discredit the notion of a "first moment in time"), or 2) that determinism might ultimately bow to indeterminism (freedom in the truest sense, which God was often alleged to be). My use of the word God carries no connotations of ancient superstitions any more than theoretical physicists use of the term "God particle" for the Higgs boson does. God to me just amounts to something at bottom ineffable, a reality beyond the grasps of physical science because it may not (or it may) be describable in physical terms; it may not even be physical. I'm saying that neither I nor anyone else can state dogmatically either way until everything that can possibly be known is known, and I'm rather pessimistic as to whether or not that is even possible given our status as: one species, with one kind of brain evolved in a specific environment to perform particular functions, in a Universe that seems infinitely big and yet may only be the size of an atom in comparison to a reality far larger.
Stephen Hawkings "A God is not required"
Instead of insisting on a prime mover or cause, you need to consider that you are making up your own idea of what you want a "god" to be. "In it's purest form" by what scientific study do you define "purest form". This is the same flaw gap filling theists make.
You accept the fact that hurricane does not have a cognition causing it then why would the universe need a cognition either? If you are going to go by the idea that nature itself is a god, that is absurd too.
Instead of insisting on using a vacuous word like "god" just say "i don't know" and wait for science to figure out what is going on.
Trying to re define a word rooted in ancient myth and create a new age si fi woo meaning is absurd.
I do not like it when standard religions fill in the gap like that and I do not like it when atheists or new agers try it either.
"All this" is really no different than the seasons changing, a giant weather pattern without a cause or cognition . QM is not license to fill in gaps. The universe is freaky enough without inserting any kind of myth or woo into a gap.
What you are mentally doing without being aware is trying to justify an eternity and the reality is that we are finite.
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He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza