(September 5, 2014 at 1:48 pm)Natachan Wrote: I'm going to give you a choice. You can give me all your money, or I will shoot you. It's your choice. You are volunteering to give me your money.That is true. I still have a choice. The assertion is that if something commanded it cannot be voluntary. I responded that would be true if and only if the command necessitated the commanded action. Do 5 jumping jacks right now. Did you? Of course not. Why? Because the command (to do 5 jumping jacks) did not necessitate the action (that you do 5 jumping jacks).
(September 5, 2014 at 1:48 pm)Natachan Wrote: This is the essence of your argument. I've simply replaced God with myself and submission with money. The result is the same. If you don't do said action you are disobeying God and deserve hell. If you don't do said action you get death.I have not asserted that God is using the punishment of hell to coerce wives into willingly submitting to their husbands. As shown above, I have asserted that a command does not necessitate the commanded action. You have made the former assertion and then argued against it (a straw man).
If you believe that God is using the punishment of hell to coerce wives into willingly submitting to their husbands, then you will need to prove from Biblical scripture that this is true.
(September 5, 2014 at 4:08 pm)Natachan Wrote: Also, I have given multiple bible verses saying that men are supposed to be the dominant and masters over women.You have provided no verses claiming men are supposed to be dominant masters over women. You have chosen specific words and principles not within the provided texts to support you belief.
(September 5, 2014 at 1:57 pm)Losty Wrote: I am not making such a ridiculous assumption. Why would I?Maybe I am not understanding you. In post #181 you wrote:
Quote:Every woman has the right to choose and if she should choose not to submit to her husband then she's still a good person and just as good of a woman as one who does submit.Here you asserted that a wife choosing to not submit to her husband makes her just as 'good' as a wife choosing to submit to her husband. That is what prompted me to ask: If we assume that disobedience to God's word is bad, how can a person choosing to follow God's word be just as 'good' as a person choosing to break it? Am I missing something?
(September 5, 2014 at 1:58 pm)ShaMan Wrote: What combination of fabrics are you currently wearing? I happen to have a huge bag of rocks handy...If it would please my Lord and by his grace, I would endure your stoning. Though it might be a bit tricky for you to prove from scripture your justification. Namely why you believe the commands for the nation of Israel apply to the Church today, and why you, being not without sin, have chosen to cast the first stone.
If it could be proven beyond doubt that God exists...
and that He is the one spoken of in the Bible...
would you repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ?