Quote:This shows that the whole abortion and AIDS argument to justify the stoning is completely false. Because an unmarried couple doing the same thing will ONLY get 80 lashes. But abortions happens much more in unmarried couple (from your link on abortion) and AIDS is spreading much more because of extra marital sex or outside marriage.am talking about both punishments. the lashes is only taking the considiration of having a moment of weakness but the married ones are not the same.
Quote:The married couple can fuck in their home or in public, in both cases they will get an abortion if they don't want the child and the only spread of AIDS possible is between the two of them, the place of the fucking is irrelevant. So all you're doing is punishing public indecency by death for the married and 80 lashes for the unmarried. First this is extremely inegalitarian (and even backwards because unmarried sex is also a crime so it should be punished more severely if done in public than married sex in public), why not making 120 lashes for married couples ? It would be the same kind of punishment at least.we are not talking here for something that will stop everyone from doing the bad thing you can never do that you are just lowering it to the least and if you are doing something bad you will be punished by god but you must not spread the disease in the society and you dont consider other results you might get.what about a baby grow thinking that this is his father but in fact he is not and what if they discovered later its so complicated than you think
Quote:So you're acknowledging that it won't entirely stop people from fucking in public, so what's the point of KILLING a happily married couple for that ??? Why not a fine or jail. Those punishment are much more respectful of human life and dignity, and you'll get the same results ! And why a public stoning ??? this is a show of gratuitous sadistic violence in public ! How can one teach children that this is not only ok, but the right thing to do ??? you're encouraging violent remorseless behavior in children by doing that !it will decrease it to the least and of course its better than making it ok with no punishment.and what about the happily married?lol. again it depends on the ruler and the scholars if they see anything should or should not be done as long as it doesnt contradict the reasons of putting that punishment
Quote:It has been proven that capital punishment does not stop people from killing each other, so it won't stop desperate poor people who can't afford to raise another child from having an abortion. This is the main argument for capital punishment: the fear! And you want to apply that to a whole lot of fellonies other than murder. It won't stop it, it will just let people live in fear, in a society which teaches them that revenge and manslaughter are righteous when done by the authorities.they are doing that everywhere tell me about the results you cant let something like abortion to human mistake its a very big thing
If you're against abortion, you can punish it with jail if you want, it would be more ethical. But if you want to realy reduce abortions you need to educate people on birth control and sex.
Quote:Porn is ethical because no one forces a woman to do it. Women have the right to do whatever they want with their body as long as it doesn't infringe on other people's rights.its ethical because you are used to it but offering someone money to do humilating things is a kind of forcing and you can search for the bad effect of watching or doing porn its a direct reason for increasing rape and incest and sex diseases and first of all it make you look to women as objects of lust http://www.porn-free.org/porn_is_bad.htm
Quote:But the Sunnah permits it.
Quote:sunnah permits it not to be done but to stop people from doing it and what i was saying is a prove that an agressive punishment prevent from a much more bigger crimethat is exceptions but that can be controlled but the main reason for abortion is sex outside marriage and you know that
dead babies means no abortion done. Criminalizing abortions won't stop people from killing and abandonning their newborn.
Quote:and by the way: a foetus is not a child.lool do you want to get in arguing when the foetus become alive?????
