RE: Secularist Anne Marie Waters on Islam
September 6, 2014 at 6:28 pm
(This post was last modified: September 6, 2014 at 6:34 pm by Mystic.)
The way I explained it is how it is generally interpreted by the masses. The masses don't believe converting people by the sword.
Sunni Islam can't really escape the actions of the first 3 Caliphs because they do believe they are rightly guided, but I'm not all too sure they were offensive wars as opposed to defensive. I would say the worse war by the 3 Caliphs was the one Abu Baker did against a portion of his own citizens for not paying Zakat to him. As for Shia Islam, they don't believe the first 3 Caliphs were guided, and Imam Ali didn't wage war against other nations for conquest and neither did Imam Hassan.
(September 6, 2014 at 6:13 pm)Tobie Wrote:Quote:The rulers didn't just ignore it attacking other nations, they killed their own citizen particularly the Shias, as well. The governments were unjust. But that's the fault of Muslims, not the founder of the religion.
I was referring to the whole "spread by the sword" thing the Rashidun and Umayyad Caliphates did; it doesn't bode well when that's how they start.
Sunni Islam can't really escape the actions of the first 3 Caliphs because they do believe they are rightly guided, but I'm not all too sure they were offensive wars as opposed to defensive. I would say the worse war by the 3 Caliphs was the one Abu Baker did against a portion of his own citizens for not paying Zakat to him. As for Shia Islam, they don't believe the first 3 Caliphs were guided, and Imam Ali didn't wage war against other nations for conquest and neither did Imam Hassan.
