(September 5, 2014 at 4:57 pm)Losty Wrote: "Here you asserted that a wife choosing to not submit to her husband makes her just as 'good' as a wife choosing to submit to her husband. That is what prompted me to ask: If we assume that disobedience to God's word is bad, how can a person choosing to follow God's word be just as 'good' as a person choosing to break it? Am I missing something?"Gotcha. The reason I was 'missing this' is due to the context of our conversation. I had the impression that for the sake of argument you were assuming God exists and that the Bible is His word. Or else who would have been commanding that wives submit to their husbands? I run into these 'context shifts' often when speaking with atheists. In order to have a logical conversation, if we assume for the sake of argument that God exists, then while I know that an atheist doesn't start believing in God, the response of 'I don't believe in God' is irrelevant and illogical within the framework of the conversation. So, that's my mistake for assuming you had assumed the existence of God for the sake of our conversation.
What you seem to be missing is that I am an atheist. I don't even believe in god. I make no assumption that anyone should be obedient to the bible or the god in it that I don't believe in.
Why would I make such a ridiculous assumption? I don't understand. How can you miss this?
I'll retract my previous line of inquiry and instead ask a question. You've asserted that a wife who does not submit to her husband is just as 'good' as one who does. How do you know this is true?
(September 5, 2014 at 5:15 pm)ShaMan Wrote: I asked a single question and I followed it up with a single statement. That you've woven the two into a threat spells disaster for your position, and speaks to the persecution complex that some christians use to bolster their apathetic faith. I didn't make one single biblical reference, nor did I make any threats.There are some pretty heavy implications from this quote. Please explain said quote so that I don't draw the wrong conclusion.
Oh, and I didn't fail to grasp your judgment of me. I refuse it.

If it could be proven beyond doubt that God exists...
and that He is the one spoken of in the Bible...
would you repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ?