refuting misconceptions:1-women in Islam

[mo3taz3nbar]

You honestly cant see that religions and culture are interlinked?

Cultural oppression is carried out IN THE NAME OF ISLAM. In Afghanistan, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Indonesia, Somalia in fact everywhere tainted by a controlling muslim elite.

Similar cultural oppression happens when christians rule countries in the name of their invisible friend.

ok you see you think that there is opression in egypt for example because of the media i live in egypt and there is no opression at all(except for upper egypt which is very little part) i see that the problem is that some of you guys cant diffirintiate between culture and religion and all you see is the cultures that opress women and think that is related with islam i think you have to see some muslims from your culture

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All the rights that islam takes away from women should be given back. That is all that is necessary as far as women's rights go, since there is no need for different treatment of either gender. But once gender inequality is out of the way, there is also the issue of many other rights that you take away from both men and women. Women have to suffer with these gender-shared atrocities on top of the extra shit you guys throw at women only. Shared losses of rights like being killed for consentual sex, etc.

lol you didnt mention one thing that you see is supposed to be given to women you are claiming things in general which are not true i was hoping for some specifications. i just know that many women convert into islam because of the rules regarding woman so i was just trying to be sure that we dont have any misunderstanding

You believe all that stuff about heaven and hell just because a book written by humans says that it is true. And how do the writers know it's true? Some guy named Mohammed had a schizophrenic god hallucination centuries ago, back when they thought things like that were magic, and everyone believed him.

its more complicated than that if you say that this book is written by a man i believe it will contain a lot of errors and contradictions.you cant just say that you have to get strong prove that a book is written by a man which i think would be easily to find the mistakes of someone lived from 1400 years(there is hundreds of proves that this book is from God i mentioned some of them before) you have to reason and use logic and examine each religion book by yourself

It IS a threat/bribery system. You end up doing certain things to avoid hell. Not because you really agree or disagree with whether the action is good or bad, but because you fear hell. With heaven, you do certain things because you hope it will bring you to heaven someday. Or do you really get an uncontrollable urge to tell allah how wonderful he is 5 times a day?

there is no single action that is bad and i just do it to avoid hell.there is some things that is forbidden and i thought at the beginning that they are not harming anyone or not affecting me and when i tried to stop them i knew that i was wrong

Believers always end up convincing themselves to agree with the morals and rules that their religion tells them to. Some morals and rules might be ones they would have agreed with even if they had not been that religion, but they agree with the rest because of the bribery/threat that they believe their gods hold over them. They believe that their gods are reading their minds too, so they try really hard to make their thoughts acceptable to whatever their religion says.

i agree with all of what you saying and this is happening and will continue to happen because this is human but all i want to correct is that this doesnt mean there is no religion that make you know why people change in religion and make up gods and start follow humans like them and in sometimes even worshiping idols. i see that what is happening this days is that models of god is being removed as the science increase and people start to see how big and complicated the universe is

For the record;

Can I get a show of hands of all here who have been to Dubai UAE?

(Dotard raises his hand and assumes Mo3 is also.)

I didn't see any 'cultural oppression' there. Gambling, whores, bacon-cheeseburgers... great place. Fun people. Really fun people.
Fun thing to do in Dubai: Get in a taxi, preferably at night, hand the driver a $20, hold on tight and say "Drive it like you stole it."

Am I right Mo3?

lool yeah dubai is fun i think these differences between muslim countries make my point for the ones who think that religion and culture are related also you guys need to see some muslims from your own cultures