(June 17, 2010 at 3:46 am)mo3taz3nbar Wrote:Life forms on earth CONTAIN some water, but do not COME FROM water. And possibly not all life forms here even contain it, such as I'm not sure about viruses and their structure.Quote:Every living thing did NOT come from waterhttp://ga.water.usgs.gov/edu/propertyyou.html
Quote:I still don't get it. Are you referring to the formation of the earth? The universe is constantly in the middle of making and breaking planets, stars, and other structures, in other words it changes and is changing still, right now this second. We are still part of the universe, not separate from it, otherwise where do you stop separating things from each other? Why not stop at the galaxies? Why not stop at the stars? Why stop at earth? Why not stop at the air (gasses), seas (liquids) and land (solids)? Why not stop at the molecules of things?Quote:How is it scientific to make statements about heaven joining and then leaving earth? If you are trying to say that heaven now means all of the universe *except earth*, well that's just silly. Earth IS still part of the universe, it's never been separated that we humans know of. Who is the 'we' mentioned about in that book verse? I hope you're not actually presenting that verse as some sort of scientific statement, because it makes no sense when examined.the heavens means the skies and the verse says that the earth and the skies was one unit then they was seperated i dont see the problem here its that easy and it doesnt mean that we are not still in the universe but of course now we are not joined as one entity
And what point is the book making? What scientific point exactly? It can be vaguely thought of as referring to planetary formation, but why? Does it explain it? No. Science does because a lot the real answers have been found. You have to try hard to make your book fit the facts AFTER the facts have been found. That's because, if you only read the book, you would still have no idea about real planet formation. The book says some gods ("we") split earth from the skies. Hey, that's not even about planets in that case. It would be most similar to the separation of the atmosphere from the nongassy stuff. But then, ancient illiterate goatherders, in an age before machines and increased knowledge, would have not known that the atmosphere is more closely part of our planet than it is to the rest of the universe beyond it. They would not have known about how there is yet another possible separation to distinguish there. It would look to them as though the air they breathe just continues to the stars.
Quote:Why is it ok for religion to not use logic? If you are not using logic and real perceptions (such as meeting god in person), than you are only believing because you WANT to believe, not because you have a good reason to believe. The word 'faith' means to believe something in that way, without any evidence, because you decide to believe, rather than perceive a real being and can't help but to believe it, such as our fellow humans who we know exist.Quote:Why do you believe it's true? You've never seen any of the ones your religion is claiming, like your god or angels or jinni. You have no proof that some human named Mohammed was having direct communication with islam's god.not everything you must see by your eyes to believe it sometimes you can use logic and reasoning denying everything you didnt see is not logic and of course you dont do it in everything you just do that in religion
Quote:What evidence? A book written by humans is not evidence. It does not even present any evidence. It makes many unlikely claims, without backing any of them up. The only evidence we have regarding these types of claims, is that there are many, many people who claim this. They all turn out to have mental illnesses or are just lying. Then, sometimes gullible people who mean well, believe these people and a religion has now been started. Since this is the case with all the other claims of communication with gods, why should yours be true suddenly? It's not like your god has turned up showing himself to us to prove it is true. There is lots of evidence on my side and none on yours. You WANT there to be a higher purpose or meaning to why we are here, but there really isn't. We are simply here, and should make the most of it. The purpose and meaning to our lives is what WE make of it, not some invisible superbeing who has some mystical wonderful plans for us after we die. We know our life on earth is very real, but religions all make claims about things that are obviously unreal, and which no human has seen to be true. That's because the claims originated in human imaginations, sometimes not even to their knowledge that it's happening, such as with schizophrenics (and any other disorders that also have psychotic episodes or overtones) who believe it is very real when it's happening.Quote:It's very likely he was just simply either a schizophrenic or a con-man who wanted people to follow him. We KNOW that those two types of people DO exist. So what is more likely? A magical god who used telepathy to tell one human some rules (why didn't he just tell everyone himself? - then there would be no unbelievers!)? Or common human ways of thinking/behaving such as schizos and con-men, and Mohammed was one of these?you are stuck in the wrong stage asking questions like that really make sense but the next step is to start searching for answers dont just claim things and believe it without evidence and your evidance must not be opinion of others you have to find it by yourself and if you hear opinion of someone you must analyze it by yourself.about why dont god tell us everything by himself so there will be no believers.there will be always non believers whatever happens some will find their way to not believe and also you must understand why we are here in order to start asking why dont god show us himself
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