Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.

[Esquilax]

okay the plan was to get you to notice id, then desire id, take id as your own, and then the pay-off was for you to publicly embrace id; but all that planning fell apart due your acute observation prowess.

Yeah yeah yeah, and if nobody had pointed it out you sure as fuck wouldn't have mentioned it yourself, you would have just continued the argument as if ID was connected here, so don't start getting sarcastic now.

so if i interpret what you are saying about the mind developing from the non-mind, it seems that between 13 bya - 5 bya carbon based atoms were smashing into each other until one carbon atom got so smashed that it started thinking and then she started organizing the other carbon atoms and now after 5 billion years we have complexity.

Does it please you to erect such outwardly obvious strawmen? Do the flickering embers of your intellect stir with pride at having come up with something so clearly flawed?

You know I accept that evolution occurs, so would it not be more apt, given what you know of my position, to consider that perhaps I believe the mind to have evolved? I know desperate, depressing simplicity is the hallmark of your argumentation, but just try to envision a scenario in which more complex physical brains turn out to be a survival advantage, and that the first stirrings of self aware consciousness within- being itself a more sophisticated reasoning tool- might have been yet another one?

I mean, I know you don't use your brain for anything much, but in general, in an environment in which your survival isn't automatically assured by a large an sprawling society, intellect is something that confers greater odds of survival.

But you keep playing in the sandbox with your strawmen like the other children, Snowy. You certainly aren't giving us reasons to take you seriously, with crap like this.