(December 28, 2008 at 9:14 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote:(December 28, 2008 at 8:11 am)CoxRox Wrote: Someone like Polkinghorne who is obviously an intelligent man and a man of science, is also an anomaly in that for all his applications of logic, science etc, and all things considered He still believes in a supernatural god. Scientists like him are few and far between it would seem, so what makes them tick? Why do they still 'arrive' at this conclusion, when the majority of scientists don't?Compartmentalization of the brain I think. Scientists like him keep their religion separate from their physics that way. And if they don't I think that's scientifically incorrect. I mean physics doesn't point to a supernatural God lol!
I don't think he compartmentalizes and indeed why should you have to? Why can't physics point to a God? The laws of physics etc are part of the 'evidences' that I myself understand to be the 'workings' of God. Here is an interview by him: it's quite interesting:
http://www.crosscurrents.org/polkinghorne.htm
And if there's a gap you can't just fill it with God when there's no evidence of God!
And God would have to be more complexly fine-tuned and improbable than the universe itself to be there right from the start or come out of nothing and be capable of fine-tuning a universe!
However fine tuned the universe God would have to be more fine tuned.
[/b]'Finetuning' suggests perameters or laws even, and if there is a First Cause, or Necessary Being, who alone has always existed, then 'fine tuning' will not apply to this being.
So I think its compartmentalization. Partitioning of the mind, etc. If there was really hard evidence in physics of a supernatural God existing that was less improbable than the universe itself and wasn't just wishful thinking - then I don't see how that could ever be possible?
Of course it could be perhaps possible but it seems practically infinitely unlikely to me.
I, at least, don't see how physics could point to a supernatural being more improbable than the universe itself to exist right from the start or out of nowhere! (if he evolved and came after the universe he would of course be a supernbeing but not a 'supernatuarl GOD' because he wasn't the origin)
I'd be very interested to hear of evidence if there is any!
It just sounds like compartmentalization to me.
I'm not sure what else it could be? Either its compartmentalization or it really is physics. And he could think the physics pointed to God but it clearly didn't because he was compartmentalizing? I'm not sure I don't know him.
But basically either compartmentalization or it really is physics whether correct or not, I believe. There could be alternatives but I can't think of any right now
Evf
We think of the notion of a 'god' or eternal being, as improbable etc because we are applying the reasonings we use for earthly, physical things. Why don't I find this a problem? Some scientists think there may be other dimensions. We can't comprehend what these are. Maybe there is another kind of life force that we can't understand from our 4 dimensional perspective.
"The eternal mystery of the world is its comprehensibility"
Albert Einstein
Albert Einstein