RE: Rant against anti-atheist agnostics.
September 28, 2014 at 2:38 am
(This post was last modified: September 28, 2014 at 3:04 am by fr0d0.)
(September 27, 2014 at 5:15 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: It's currently sunny, weather in the 70s, some clouds in the sky. Is this usually the direction Christians take the conversation when it becomes evident how fruitless their attempts at rationalizing a patently absurd and inhumane faith is?
Towel accepted
(September 27, 2014 at 5:18 pm)Rhythm Wrote: So, morality isn't concerned with harm, morality doesn't have to do with harm? I can harm anyone I like, as much as I like...and morality says nothing? Is this christian morality we're speaking of...because I was taught something else entirely?
I said the opposite
I think you stopped reading what I wrote 2 posts ago. If you'd like to continue I'll wait for you to address my points. Enjoy urinating into the wind in the meantime.
(September 27, 2014 at 5:34 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: But, why am I being offered it (grace/salvation) at all? If God made mankind 'perfect,' why did he need to send a savior to redeem us? What am I being saved from, and what am I rejecting? I'm a former Christian, but my reason for departing it had to do with the fallacy of believing that I deserve basically a place called hell, if I choose to 'reject' God's 'free gift' of salvation. Why would God create such a puzzling format for mankind to follow?
When you break it down, it would seem that Christianity is built on one giant puzzle, and God holds the piece that you'll never find.
You are being offered salvation because you're not perfect and to have it would let you live like you were. Forgiven for your flaws.
You are being saved from your life draining actions. You're rejecting a better life.
Yes, if you reject the gift then you choose to suffer. God doesn't make you suffer. You do. By choice. You make the most of your limitations.
I don't think it's puzzling. I think it's very simple. It is what you make of it. In opposition you're looking to criticise it.
(September 28, 2014 at 1:51 am)whateverist Wrote: This smacks of the "Emperor's New Cloths". We, by rejecting the invisible suit must have to make do with 2nd best as you tell it. But from our perspective your cloths are invisible or non-existent. We see no elevated nature, we just see the foolish emperor strolling down the street naked.
I agree that the result makes Christians no better than any one else. But that's the point don't you see... that we're accepted, warts and all. The difference is that we should be forgiven and be accepted for our flawed selves. There's the breaker between living with our flawed reality or living as if we weren't flawed, and able to live more fully <--- that's the sole purpose of our faith.
