RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
September 28, 2014 at 1:36 pm
"pattern is synonymous with design"
This would be more accurately stated as "pattern is a hallmark of design" because while the existence of pattern can be a strong indicator of design, the fact is that patterns do occur in the absence of design. So pattern is not a reliable indicator of design. Pattern by itself does not automatically imply design.
If the fibonacci sequence occurred in "everything" as you've claimed, it would indeed beg an explanation. However it only occurs here and there. Thus it is simply another pattern that may or may not be the result of design. If you want to use it as evidence of design then you need something stronger than the mere presence of a pattern.
As can be seen in the quote below, even leading intelligent design proponents like William Dembski implicitly acknowledge that an improbable pattern isn't enough to infer design, the pattern must have specific characteristics for design to be inferred. Unfortunately for Dembski, his attempt at defining that "something else" is widely regarded as a failure.
The problem is false positives, detecting design where no design is present. As has been pointed out to you, there are a number of patterns that occur as a result of perfectly lawlike behaviors specified by natural law. Fairy rings are a common example. These ring shaped structures of fungus were once thought to be created by the intelligent design of fairies but have since been shown to result from natural processes.
![[Image: fairy_rings_01.jpg]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=www.mushroomexpert.com%2Fimages%2Fkuo%2Ffairy_rings_01.jpg)
http://www.mushroomexpert.com/fairy_rings.html
This would be more accurately stated as "pattern is a hallmark of design" because while the existence of pattern can be a strong indicator of design, the fact is that patterns do occur in the absence of design. So pattern is not a reliable indicator of design. Pattern by itself does not automatically imply design.
If the fibonacci sequence occurred in "everything" as you've claimed, it would indeed beg an explanation. However it only occurs here and there. Thus it is simply another pattern that may or may not be the result of design. If you want to use it as evidence of design then you need something stronger than the mere presence of a pattern.
As can be seen in the quote below, even leading intelligent design proponents like William Dembski implicitly acknowledge that an improbable pattern isn't enough to infer design, the pattern must have specific characteristics for design to be inferred. Unfortunately for Dembski, his attempt at defining that "something else" is widely regarded as a failure.
Quote:Specified complexity is an argument proposed by William Dembski and used by him and others to promote intelligent design. According to Dembski, the concept is intended to formalize a property that singles out patterns that are both specified and complex, in specific senses defined by Dembski. Dembski states that specified complexity is a reliable marker of design by an intelligent agent, a central tenet to intelligent design which Dembski argues for in opposition to modern evolutionary theory. The concept of specified complexity is widely regarded as mathematically unsound and has not been the basis for further independent work in information theory, the theory of complex systems, or biology. Specified complexity is one of the two main arguments used by intelligent design proponents, the other being irreducible complexity.
Wikipedia | Specified complexity
The problem is false positives, detecting design where no design is present. As has been pointed out to you, there are a number of patterns that occur as a result of perfectly lawlike behaviors specified by natural law. Fairy rings are a common example. These ring shaped structures of fungus were once thought to be created by the intelligent design of fairies but have since been shown to result from natural processes.
![[Image: fairy_rings_01.jpg]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=www.mushroomexpert.com%2Fimages%2Fkuo%2Ffairy_rings_01.jpg)
http://www.mushroomexpert.com/fairy_rings.html
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