Evidence God Exists: Part II

[Thor]

I think the existence of the universe itself is evidence of the existence of God.

The mere existence of the universe is evidence of nothing. This has to be about the lamest argument in the creationist's bag. "Hey! I exist! Therefore, God created me!!"

Evidence is not something that is such that it necessitates only one conclusion.

"Evidence" must lead you to a reasonable conclusion. Going from "the universe exists!" to "god created the universe!" is a stretch of gargantuan proportions. By your logic, it would not be unreasonable to conclude that Godzilla created the universe.

Evidence is that which one relies upon as support for their conclusions.

But the important thing is whether or not those conclusions are reasonable. I could feel a cold breeze while sitting on my couch and conclude that it was caused by an evil spirit entering the room (which would, of course, necessitate an exorcism). Someone else could investigate and conclude that the cold breeze was caused by a drafty window. Which conclusion is more reasonable?

I also think the existence of morals is evidence of God.

What crap. "God" tells us that slavery is okay. He tells us that we should kill people who work on Sunday. He tells us that a rape victim must marry her rapist. Our morals are much higher than your god's.

Again, does the existence of morals necessitate the conclusion that God exists? Certainly not, but I think it is the best explanation.

It's a better explanation than the more reasonable conclusion that people realized there must be some code all should follow for the benefit of everyone in the tribe/community/nation? Don't you think people realized very early on that it was necessary to cooperate with one another to ensure survival? Did we really need some deity to come down from a mountain and tell us that we shouldn't kill or steal from each other? Hell, I'll guarantee that even the cavemen had mores that frowned upon harming or stealing from another member of the community.

To those who hold that what the majority of a society says is right is right, I have presented the following:

Whoa! I don't think anyone would say that something is "right" just because the majority of a population says so. Murder is always wrong. As is rape. And slavery.

Start with a society in which a majority of that society determines that it is ok to kill a minority member of the society. Let's even say that a law is passed that says a member of the majority is obligated to kill a member of the minority if they come into contact with one. Is it then ok (right) for a member of the majority to go around killing members of the minority?

Of course not! This would be wrong and immoral!

Usually the answer is no and the reason given is because the member of the minority has rights also.

This is one possible response.

But if your position is that morals (right and wrong) are only determined by the majority of a society, then on what basis would the members of the minority have rights at all?

Who here has said that right and wrong are determined by majority vote?

If right and wrong are determined my majority of a society,

It's not.

then it seems to me it would logically follow that a member of a society only has the rights granted by that majority.

Wrong again. We all have basic rights as human beings. The problem is that there are governments around the world that take away those rights at the point of a gun.

Consequently, this apparently inconsistent position of some, to me is evidence that even those who hold that morals are manmade and based on what the majority in a society says recognize that minority members of a society have certain rights separate and distinct from simply what a majority gives them. I think this logically leads to a conclusion that such rights come from an ultimate source which is God.

Quite the logical gymnastics ya got going there. Okay, if "God" is the ultimate source of morality, why do even the most devout believers disagree on issues of morality? Fervent believers come down on both sides of moral issues, convinced that they are on "God's" side. Things like capital punishment, abortion, gambling, polygamy, etc... have no absolute consensus. If "God" gives us our morality, there should be NO disagreement among believers on any moral issue. It should be crystal clear! But it's not!

So to me, all of this is evidence of God

And you haven't shown us any "evidence". All you have done is to make weak arguments.