Evidence God Exists: Part II

[rjh4 is back]

Feel free to read "The God Delusion" then.

I'll pass.

Maybe not a strawman, I thought you were inferring the made up society would be an atheist society.

I do not see how anything I said could have lead you to that conclusion.

However your argument remains an appeal to pity (they are killing each other!) as well as an argument from personal incredulity (I can't believe a non-religious society can have mores & ethics, so it must not be possible).

It seems you still missed my point altogether. The scenario is not an argument. It is a question to those who think morality is manmade. The question is to see if one is consistent in applying what they believe. As I said before, if one holds to morality being manmade and up to the majority in a society, the logical answer to my question would generally be "yes". So when I get a "no" answer I want to know the basis for it since it does not seem to logically follow. Note, I never said whether or not the society is religious or not and it is irrelevant to the question. So I do not see what I presented as an appeal to pit or an argument from personal incredulity.

My question at the end, put in simpler terms is: Why do we need religion to tell us that killing another human being is wrong?

Who said anything about religion? No we do not need religion to tell us that killing another human being is wrong. But I think that the idea that God created us and put into us the idea that killing another human being is wrong is a much better explanation for the fact that most think that (that killing is wrong) than the idea that morality is manmade. Awkward wording I think but I hope you understand my point.

Tav and Thor, I do not have time to answer everything now. I will try though.