Was Jesus a God or a man?

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I never claimed it was. My claim is "I don't know". There are many religious people w/o good morals, ex. Fred Phelps, Pat Robertson, etc..

My opinion of atheist come from their behavior and NOTHING else. No different from y'all's opinion of xtians, you don't like their prejudice, self righteous BS.

My only contact with atheist is forums like this. It seems to me you have become "like" your enemy, no god/s necessary!!!hock:

Don't know what would make you say that, really. Kinda hard to argue with such a vague statement, but given that I was responding solely to your point about Price's work and what it implies about altruism, this is probably a digression.

You all think you're soooooooooo smart but yet you can not see YOU are making things worse, not better. It's just one more god opinion to argue about.

How do you know I'm making things worse, and not better? How do you know anything about me, about any of us? And if you don't know us, on what are you basing this accusation?

If you were really smart you would know that we have barely scratched the surface of the universe. Explain dark matter, sense you are so smart.

Tell me where the stuff came from that caused the big bang!

You don't know, do ya?

I've never claimed to know everything, or even most things. I don't need to know everything to know you're wrong a given thing, however. Where is this even coming from?

Tell me why things just stopped evolving?

They didn't, and you are wrong to say they did. Life is constantly evolving in little ways, generation by generation, over the timescales necessary for evolution to occur, which can often be fairly long. If you want to see it happening in action, just look at the growing number of antibiotic-resistant bacteria out there. They've evolved that way.

You gotten your flu shot yet? Know why you need a new one every year? Because the virus evolves.

Life is a mystery. That is the only truth at this time. It is science that's going to destroy us with their deadly inventions, nuclear bombs and all kinds of pollutants full of carcinogens. Just like religion, science brings us good things and bad, that's human nature.

Science is also the only method by which we can develop defenses to all of those things, just saying.

It's okay to be atheist. It's not okay to be jerks. Geeze. It's okay to be a Christian just don't be a jerk. It's okay to be what ever you want except a jerk.

Who was being a jerk? Criticizing your argument isn't the same thing as being mean, and frankly I think I was pretty level headed there. If you were saying evolution couldn't be real because of what you supplied, then that would be the logical fallacy I pointed out. That's me trying to improve your argumentation by showing you where it might be weak; do you really feel that the only way people can be nice to you is by constantly agreeing with you?

I did provide a link sooooooooooooo, I don't think I screwed up anything. Try again.

You did provide a link, but you misinterpreted the information therein. What Price produced was a theory that explained altruistic behavior in terms of the survival advantage that it presents, that allowed it to become a trait in our population's genetics. He did not prove that altruism doesn't exist, but rather why it does exist: the conclusion some came to from that was that altruism is biologically generated and is truly just a naturally selected- ultimately mechanical- instinct driven by our need to propagate our species, and that because of this it isn't as valuable or morally right as it appears. My response is first and foremost that things don't need to be magical to carry value, and also that that interpretation of what altruism is doesn't jive with the definition of the word; natural selection is an unconscious pressure, not a state of mind. It may have shaped our capacity for altruism, but we still choose to make altruistic choices, no matter how our instinctive positive reaction to those choices came to be there.