Is nihilism the logical extreme of atheism?

[Thumpalumpacus]

I think it's possible to give value to yourself without their being value but it's illogical to give yourself value while not believing there is objective value. Why you chose to live and what you want to do in your life can be chosen by us freely sure...but I don't think you can believe something is morally wrong without believing it's objectively wrong to do so. You can't also give value to life without believing objectively there is value to life.

I disagree. It can be wrong for me to kill someone for no good reason, and right for you to do so given appropriate impetus -- say, I'm charging you with a knife. From your viewpoint, killing a person is right at that point, because you are defending your own life.

That means that the propriety of killing is subject to the conditions pertaining at the time of the killing; it is subjective.

As for the value to life, I don't believe that there is objectively value in living. It's just what I'm used to -- or as I tell the people I work for, "I've grown accustomed to breathing." I value that state because the alternative strikes me as pretty boring, and the transition to it seems a little unpleasant, mostly. That means that I value my life. It also means that if you charge at me waving a knife, I will shoot you if I can, because I value my life more than yours, and at that point, yours has no relative value to me at all.

This is why morality is both subjective and relative.

The Christians here sharpening their knives in reply need to pause and ask themselves why it is wrong for men to kill indiscriminately, but holy for their god to do so, before they post.

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Objective value can come from within oneself, sure, why not?

Because that would be a subjective view. An objective value would be extrinsically defined, no?

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