Ooh, my turn, my turn! 
I thought that god was supposed to be more moral than humans? If he's just going to act like whatever era he's in, why would you trust that any of his commands are actually moral things to do? They could just be reflections of the time, in which case, wouldn't he have to approve of disobedience if it meant you took the more moral path?
Or would he punish you for disobeying, even if obeying was morally wrong?
If you respond violently to an insult, that's called assault and you're arrested for it. Especially if you're in a minority group, unfortunately. I seriously don't understand why you think "well, these other people would do it too!" is a justification; do two wrongs make a right? Wouldn't god be better equipped to see the moral option is not to do violence? Children learn this stuff: "Sticks and stones," and all that.
In the incident with Lot's daughters, Lot was still considered the most moral man in the city, to be rescued when it was destroyed. What does that say about god's position on his actions?
Why can't I compare the two kinds of slavery? Why is "it's a custom!" an excuse, and not an appeal to tradition fallacy? Rich people don't own their servants, last time I checked. God's rules allowed you to beat and kill your slaves without punishment, and included sections on how to trick temporary slaves into staying on forever. You call that "treated properly"?
I'm trying not to be short, but that slavery stuff is just lazy apologetics at its finest, man. It's insulting to our intelligence.

(October 5, 2014 at 8:26 pm)Retrolord Wrote: 1- destruction of Canaanites and everyone else. Considering that this is not a myth; I believe (I'm not saying it's right) that god ordered their killing so that his plan could come about (jesus and all)
But why kill the poor Canaanites? (I'm using a collective term)
You probably never heard of child sacrifice to Molech. With their idolatry, they were killing the children and doing other things. Read in context, that is one reason idolatry was bad. The world back then was barbaric guys. When the world's barbaric, god adheres to it; and since during Jesus' s time the world was relatively more peaceful than that, I guess god finally thought that it is time for humanity to be shown what living holy is about (because they were capable of it). Who knows, maybe if we returned to being holy creatures like Adam and Eve; we won't even need the ten commandments.
I thought that god was supposed to be more moral than humans? If he's just going to act like whatever era he's in, why would you trust that any of his commands are actually moral things to do? They could just be reflections of the time, in which case, wouldn't he have to approve of disobedience if it meant you took the more moral path?
Or would he punish you for disobeying, even if obeying was morally wrong?

Quote:2- The bears and 42 mauled.
First of all youth at that time meant adolescents after 16. And second, we don't know what calling someone bald back then. There were probably hundreds of people calling him bald and since we don't know how insulting it was for someone to be called bald in those days, I'd like to present a modern day scenario
If you call an African American coon, or nigger, you might get beaten up pretty bad. Same with calling gay people the f word ( I know you're going to point this out, but most catholics and the pope don't discriminate)
Whatever, but imagine if 42 (at least) people called a gay person the f word. Wouldn't he want them all to get punished? And we're talking about a prophet here! In 5000 years they'll be saying- wow that black man beat him up just because he called him a coon? That's rough!
And the bears didn't necessarily kill and eat them. Maul is sort of like a punch. You really think 2 bears waited to see if someones dead to go onto the next one.
If you respond violently to an insult, that's called assault and you're arrested for it. Especially if you're in a minority group, unfortunately. I seriously don't understand why you think "well, these other people would do it too!" is a justification; do two wrongs make a right? Wouldn't god be better equipped to see the moral option is not to do violence? Children learn this stuff: "Sticks and stones," and all that.
Quote:3- judges 19 rape. This rape was never condoned by god, neither was the episode with Lots daughters. And who said the Israelites weren't punished? There was a civil war after that!
In the incident with Lot's daughters, Lot was still considered the most moral man in the city, to be rescued when it was destroyed. What does that say about god's position on his actions?
Quote:4- slavery. Surely you can't compare that slavery to American slavery. It was customary to have slaves then (I prefer calling them servants) nothing wrong with that. Rich people Still have servants. Atleast god made rules so that they'd be treated properly. He could've let the hebrews do whatever they wished with them, but they didn't.
Why can't I compare the two kinds of slavery? Why is "it's a custom!" an excuse, and not an appeal to tradition fallacy? Rich people don't own their servants, last time I checked. God's rules allowed you to beat and kill your slaves without punishment, and included sections on how to trick temporary slaves into staying on forever. You call that "treated properly"?
I'm trying not to be short, but that slavery stuff is just lazy apologetics at its finest, man. It's insulting to our intelligence.
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