RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
October 6, 2014 at 3:14 pm
(October 6, 2014 at 1:14 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:(October 6, 2014 at 12:29 pm)rasetsu Wrote: And you were wrong on that count. A ratio can be expressed multiple ways, including 34/23.7. The reason nobody responded is because they couldn't believe that you were stupid enough to believe otherwise. And you still haven't responded to the main point. Here, I'll repeat it for you.
I was not wrong, the whole point was about how you could take the dimensions of DNA, divide them together and get the golden ratio.
In my case the numbers were 34 and 21 which when divided together comes out as the ratio of 1.61, I made this clear from the beginning, any other "expression" of a ratio isn't relevant.
Further more a ratio can be expressed also as a fraction if you are saying that 34/23.7 is a fraction, explain the decimal point?
otherwise a ":" between the numbers is the proper way of displaying a ratio.
(October 6, 2014 at 12:29 pm)rasetsu Wrote: Cue Huggy arguing about the meaning of words.....I Disagree,
Remember you accusing me of cherry picking?
http://biowiki.ucdavis.edu/Genetics/Unit...orm_of_DNA
Quote:Dimensions of B-form (the most common) of DNA
0.34 nm between bp, 3.4 nm per turn, about 10 bp per turn
1.9 nm (about 2.0 nm or 20 Angstroms) in diameter
Surgenators, own link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA
Quote:DNA is a long polymer made from repeating units called nucleotides.[3][4][5] DNA was first identified and isolated by Friedrich Miescher and the double helix structure of DNA was first discovered by James Watson and Francis Crick, using experimental data collected by Rosalind Franklin and Maurice Wilkins. The structure of DNA of all species comprises two helical chains each coiled round the same axis, and each with a pitch of 34 ångströms (3.4 nanometres) and a radius of 10 ångströms (1.0 nanometres).
These two sources agree that the width is 20 Å, making my original number of 21 alot closer than your 23.7, which you claim to be the most common.
(October 6, 2014 at 12:44 pm)Stimbo Wrote: I'm sure there are much riper cherries to pick out of his post if you really tried.
I don't know how I can misconstrue the phrase "There is no such thing as fibonacci sequence" as meaning he doesn't believe the fibonacci sequence exists.
I think anyone familiar with the English language would come to the same conclusion.
There is a lot on contradictory data on the web. Here are some sites suggesting the diameter of 19 or 20 A.
http://www.ndsu.edu/pubweb/~mcclean/plsc...a/dna4.htm
http://books.google.com/books?id=Q6Yd-qY...na&f=false
Here are some links that show the B-Form to be wider 23.7 A.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK225...objectonly
http://www.uic.edu/classes/phys/phys461/...0/ANJUM04/
However, I can't find any source that gives me a ratio of 34/21 that isn't from a golden ratio site.

The best source I found looks at a lot of published data. I couldn't figure out exatly what it was saying, but I got the impression that the dimension of DNA varies depending on the sequence you have. Also, the fibre model used works well on a general case, but not for specifics.
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1472-6807/9/24
If there is a biologist on the AF, please provide a comment.