Evidence God Exists: Part II

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LOL, ok so the arguement presented for the self evidence of the universe originally left out demonstratability. Aside from a little uproar then, what you're actually demonstrating are the laws, axioms and fundamental characteristics of the universe, that lead to it's demonstratability not actually demonstrating the universe as a whole. So something is self evident if it conforms to a universal definition amongst consenting individuals and it's attributes are demonstrable is that about it?

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Ok I can comprehend that explanation. So why is everyone so up in arms when Fr0d0 say God just is, he's self-evident. I'll fit it into your explination:

God - meaning creator of our enviornment - is self evident. It is the basis to which morality applies. You make distinctions in your life based on your perceptions of God. It's a given that everything you percieve is from God since God created everything. The concept of God will be percieved as righteous if it conforms with your idea of how reality works. God is self evident because it's used as a method for determining what is right and not right - I use God as a yardstick to measure and improve individual morality.

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Only if you already believe in god, otherwise he is not self evident at all.

And god is not the basis of my morality, or yours, for that matter.

No he's not the basis, but the yardstick by which I measure mine.