(October 7, 2014 at 2:55 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I was trying to summise Jenny's points. It is a common concept that reality is unjust, and one that Christianity adopts. Human nature is flawed.
Again - both of these assertions presuppose supervening consciousness.
(October 7, 2014 at 2:55 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I'm not claiming anything more than a theological concept here. I'm never going to want to prove to you that there is objective proof of God that negates belief in him. Even accepting the notion is insufficient. But you get my point.
The point I'm getting here is this: If you presuppose the fantasy notion that a perfectly just god exists then you can logically conclude that perfect justice exists and that reality is just and that all who disagree are doing so based on wrong reasoning and any glaring deviations from reality can be compensated by coming up with more fantasies.
(October 7, 2014 at 2:55 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: People failing at considering a just God... it was never people that were perfectly just. We fail as our nature makes us.
Apart from simply repeating it, you haven't yet established the existence of a just god either.
(October 7, 2014 at 2:55 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: In not accepting coquettish positions on faith. The mainstream church accept variations that are complimentary.
Also the variations that are contradictory.