(October 7, 2014 at 3:36 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Agreed. And?
And since you haven't proven those statements, your claim regarding knowledge of god is meaningless.
(October 7, 2014 at 3:36 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Forgive me for being imprecise. A reality sans God ie the atheist reality, as established.
Its still imprecise. The concept of justice doesn't apply to a reality sans god.
(October 7, 2014 at 3:36 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Our understanding of God does not conflict, but is logically consistent and coherent. I don't know how you would think that we could consider each other equally valid believers if not.
If you have an example of one of the other Christians on here who you think has an opposing idea of God on these forums I'd like to see if your claim is true.
There is the other thread regarding god's omnibenevolence. Then there is the new gonna-be-catholic member who who favors works, not faith. Then there are members who think god's morality is objective and others who think morality doesn't apply to god. There are contradictions all over the place.
(October 7, 2014 at 3:36 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: All of our beliefs adopt reality. Our understanding of it is what sets us apart. My understanding of it includes a just creator. Yours doesn't. Belief in God doesn't change the colour of grass, but it does change my view of pointless suffering, for example.
Not all.
(October 7, 2014 at 3:36 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: You're chasing your tail there I believe. Your answer is exactly my first sentence.
You mean your claim that your thinking is not flawed. The one you haven't provided evidence for.
(October 7, 2014 at 3:36 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Not in my understanding they don't. Can you explain why you think that they might please?
Both justice and perfection are conceptual constructs - existence of a conscious entity is required for their application. Further, any meaningful application requires the entity to be capable of manipulating those objects - thus, a supervening conscious entity. Without the assumption of such a supervening consciousness, the application of those concepts to reality is meaningless.
(October 7, 2014 at 3:36 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: All I'm doing here is presenting the reasoning to show that acknowledging a just God produces a different world view that is preferable to one that considers life to be unjust. I think that's a successful argument.
It's not an argument for the existence of God. Like I said, I don't think that's even possible, and I wouldn't even entertain it.
I get your point.
More correctly, presupposing a just god produces a different world-view - that much is correct. Why would it be preferable?
(October 7, 2014 at 3:36 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Wow where did "coquettish" come from!?! Stupid autocorrect lol
Never contradictory, no.
See examples above.
(October 7, 2014 at 3:36 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Unflawed (eww horrible word ) on the basis that they are so far undefeated.
A perfect sphere is limited in that it cannot be a cube. Does that make it flawed?
It is not within the nature of a sphere to be cube. But it is within the nature of knowledge to be complete.