Is nihilism the logical extreme of atheism?

[fr0d0]

Great. a blind assertion. Why do you think that? Gimme something.

You first.

You are responding to my statement. If you have no comment. Great.

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The notion that that which creates a thing is always superior to the thing created is not a presumption I'll buy whether Thomas A. said it or not. By what standard would you measure such superiority? Many men have built things stronger, faster, and with greater longevity than themselves.

We've already covered our understanding of the goodness of God. We disagree. My evidence is clear. Yours is based upon obvious and deliberate misunderstanding. In the absence of actual evidence, I must leave it there.

The point you mention here, concerns the ability of any creator to create something superior to itself. So far, humans haven't created better humans. Taking it back to a primary level, a substance cannot create something not contained in the source. The singularity had to contain all of the information necessary to form everything in the universe. It isn't possible for the universe to create anything that it doesn't already have the physical information to create.

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The singularity is perfectly 'good'. It is functional in that it brings about a universe. God, having produced said singularity, has to be superior to it (see Aquinas). So Good is morally superior to the universe, and needs to be perfectly good.

Doesn't that only mean that he needed to be good enough? We don't know if this is the best possible universe that could have been made, after all. Maybe his older brother Wehyah (their parents were practical jokers) created a universe where all of the planets sustain life and no one ever sinned. Wehyah might need to be perfect to get that particular recipe right, and maybe the reason we never see god is because he's in the middle of receiving a 20,000-year nuggie from his big bro.

Exactly.