RE: Is nihilism the logical extreme of atheism?
October 12, 2014 at 12:24 pm
(This post was last modified: October 12, 2014 at 12:43 pm by fr0d0.)
(October 12, 2014 at 12:01 pm)Chas Wrote:(October 12, 2014 at 10:18 am)fr0d0 Wrote: That's the theory of the big bang. It just appeared.
No, it's not. At the point of the Big Bang, there was maximum entropy - that is, no information at all.
Isn't that the same thing?
(October 12, 2014 at 12:21 pm)genkaus Wrote:When someone repeats what you say, to me that's assent.(October 12, 2014 at 11:23 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Thanks for the support.
Confusing dissent with support, huh? - Well, that is to be expected given the bizarro nature of your beliefs.
(October 12, 2014 at 12:21 pm)genkaus Wrote:I would start to try if I thought you were on the same page.(October 12, 2014 at 11:23 am)fr0d0 Wrote: You're confusing the application of words. Again. The singularity contained all possible information of everything that will ever exist in this universe. It contained the blueprint of all substance. If you didn't have the potential to absorb information and use it, then you wouldn't absorb or use it.
The bolded part is the claim that you are required to prove. Your potentiality argument is not sufficient to prove that. Once again, "potential to absorb information" or even "potential to create information" is not the same as "containing all possible information".
(October 12, 2014 at 12:21 pm)genkaus Wrote:That's the proof. If the logic follows for 'different', which you've just acknowledged, then it also follows for 'better'. Wider moral latitude = more information = more informed decision.(October 12, 2014 at 11:23 am)fr0d0 Wrote: My perspective is different > my moral understanding is different > my quality of life is different.
Different? Sure. Better? Prove it.
(October 12, 2014 at 12:21 pm)genkaus Wrote:If you don't successfully challenge 1 or 2, then the conclusion stands.(October 12, 2014 at 11:23 am)fr0d0 Wrote: I'll ignore this as trolling. If you can make a point, go for it. At the moment your lack of input is noted.
The point is simple: Your argument goes like this -
1. Morality of revenge requires sufficient knowledge to condemn.
2. Humans don't have sufficient knowledge to condemn.
Therefore, revenge is always immoral for humans.
You failed to establish what constitutes sufficiency of knowledge - making your premise 1 vague.
You failed to establish premise 2 are true.
Therefore your conclusion is invalid.
1. If you can't ever know sufficiently of someone's guilt, then you can't make a moral judgement. We're talking about ultimate justice here. The ability to know thoroughly a persons motivations for their every thought and deed.
2. No human can know that they have sufficient knowledge of another persons guilt.
These are indisputable fact.