The Miracle Of Iron !!

[Purple Rabbit]

That's not a response to my observation that the three storey universe is the model that shows everywhere in the quaran and bible. That's like saying, "you're right but I'll convince you later" and completely ignore these facts that are so flagrantly unscientific.

am discussing different things with different members as soon as the conversation slow down a little i will open the thread about the scientific facts in the Quran.plz till that i will not be able to talk in details about this issue so have patience i will discuss all in details in the thread i will open (and also this is not the subject here)

So the validity of your argument about scientific statements in the quran is not subject here? Than what is your subject here?

But this was 600 AD. It was the dark middle ages, they had no clue at all about the findings of modern science. If there really was science than there would have been the brilliant symmetrical principles of nature like that of relativity. They're totally absent. So don't stretch your luck with dubious interpretation of vague sentences scribbled on all kinds of material by various followers deleted from historical reference that are said to reference to scientific facts only after science has stated them.

am not saying that they had brilliant symmetrical principles of nature they didnt have any tools to prove anything am saying that the Quran contains scientific facts that was discovered later when we have the tools to know about them

So we agree on the fact there are no brilliant scientific observations in the quran, the writers were just too ignorant to describe modern scientific facts, and that only in hindsight some statements were selected for reinterpretation to refer to scientific facts. In fact by this you have admitted that it is special pleading. What else should I add to that?

You are making all kinds of hilarious assumptions on earth formation:
- That first there was an earth without iron and later the iron was added. That is not scientific fact, it opposes any serious scientific theory on earth formation.

i posted two links that prove what i said if the links are wrong plz inform me

Don't refer to sites that try to address science at the level of toddlers and conclusively fail at that. If you think there's no difference between the concept in physics of strings and weaven ropes as in your shoe, than don't build an argument on it and don't refer to sites with that kind of mindless crap on it. If you wanna talk science, talk science. I can handle it, can you?

Also you seem to add in the disclaimer that they didn't know how to write it down because they had no reference from experience. Of course that is true, but with that you are seriously discrediting the divine inspiration clause that believers use all the time to "ensure" circular reasoning.

i didnt mean that at all i was aiming that its pretty clear that when something come from the space you say it fell down to earth
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_is_there_n...n_in_space

Your response doesn't match at all to the argument. Can you detect that yourself or do you need help?

You are restating what I feared you meant: The quran is mallaeable to doctrines of man and not the word of god.

i think i have a little misunderstanding of the word doctorines. what i meant is when someone say that jesus is God it must be written in the scriptures or his claim will be meaningless and it will be clear that he is just saying things from his head.so when a religion face the problem that what they claim is not written in their scriptures they start adding it by themselves

I totally agree and to me it is a quite convincing argument that scriptures cannot go as evidence on their own. How does that help the point you are trying to make about the quran?