RE: Ministers Threatened with Jail/Fines For Refusing to Officiate at Gay Weddings
October 23, 2014 at 9:37 am
(This post was last modified: October 23, 2014 at 10:26 am by Anomalocaris.)
(October 23, 2014 at 8:42 am)Heywood Wrote:(October 23, 2014 at 8:22 am)Chuck Wrote: Hey, wake the fuck up, world progress, all sorts of institutions to by the way side because we do thing better now. what had been done before progress is not an excuse for rejecting progress. if you want the benefit of a modem civil state, don't pretend medieval conceptions and ways of doing things somehow has precedence.
Having to get permission from the state to get married is not progress. It is shackling.
Yes, it shackles the bible thumping slave masters and prevents them from whipping the slaves justified by their own self serving interpretations of the some idiotic Bronze Age tract marinaded in moronic fantasy of a criminal layabout who was executed 2000 years ago.
(October 23, 2014 at 9:28 am)bladevalant546 Wrote: So let me get this straight, is this a religious establishment such as a church? If it is then NO they should not be forced to marry these folks, that is setting a precedent I rather not set here in this country. Now if this is a business entity founded by religious people, then possibly an argument can be made and we should let the courts decide here. I honestly am failing to see the zealous nature behind forcing religious establishments to perform rituals against their will. It is like forcing Satanists to perform traditional communion. So can someone link me to the full story here, because I keep getting separate sides that are 100% bias.
Whether they are a business or not is irrelevant. The key factor is whether the want the product of tgeir services to be recognized as being equivalent to those provided by the state.
If it is a religious establishment offering a marriage service whose results has no civil validity, then they can do whatever they want whether they are a business or not.
But if the product of their marriage service is to have civil validity, then that validity mandates whom they must provide the service to (the same as civil marriage) even if there is business aspects to it whatsoever and they do their Iron Age superstitious chants and rituals pro bono.
