(October 23, 2014 at 2:28 pm)Surgenator Wrote:The choice between the forms (essences) of the universe to be created was either random or intelligent. If it was determined, the problem is simply pushed back one step. In fact, randomness is the intelligence of matter or merely material objects.(October 23, 2014 at 2:21 pm)datc Wrote: As you can see, I am responding to practically everyone; so, if I have not responded to your point, then either I am still thinking about it, or your point is nonsense.If it's nonsense, then please tell me how a choice from one million possibilities vs an infinite number of possibilities affects the how the choice was picked.
In this particular case, it's the latter.
Suppose random. I asked myself at lunch to pick a random number. My answer: 75 or 1/4 or pi. Clearly, these numbers are those that are in use in daily life or at best, science. I certainly did not consider x = googol^(googol^(...^googol)) 75 times. By how much greater than x is actual infinity!
Therefore, an honest and fair Random World Generator (RWG) considers every possible world to be equiprobable. But for an infinitude of worlds, the probability of any to be picked is again, exactly (not "effectively") 0.
Moreover, every world would have to be considered and either rejected or picked. It's like you stick your hand in an urn with balls, check out every ball, and pick a hopefully "lucky" one. But no non-rational RWG can fairly consider for selection every member of an infinite set.
There is another consideration. The RWG can solve the problem of choosing a world by picking an arbitrary world and using that as the solution. But each possible world is for an unintelligent chooser no better and no worse than any other one. How does an impartial RWG pick even an arbitrary world?
Now remember that all abstracta are convertible to each other. Thus, we may imagine a world, 1E, with just a single thing in it: an elementary particle. This sort of converts a world into a number. The RWG can then say: "I'll pick the world with the fewest number of particles in it." This immediately narrows down the choice to 1E. But this is already an intelligent choice. The RWG would have to be programmed by an intelligent agent in order to be so clever.
The result is that the chooser is intelligent and chooses according to an end sought.