(October 23, 2014 at 5:41 pm)datc Wrote:This part is incomprehensible.(October 23, 2014 at 2:28 pm)Surgenator Wrote: If it's nonsense, then please tell me how a choice from one million possibilities vs an infinite number of possibilities affects the how the choice was picked.The choice between the forms (essences) of the universe to be created was either random or intelligent. If it was determined, the problem is simply pushed back one step. In fact, randomness is the intelligence of matter or merely material objects.
Quote:Suppose random. I asked myself at lunch to pick a random number. My answer: 75 or 1/4 or pi. Clearly, these numbers are those that are in use in daily life or at best, science. I certainly did not consider x = googol^(googol^(...^googol)) 75 times. By how much greater than x is actual infinity!The probablility of something picked, whether is it random or not is 1. It does not matter how low the probability of any individual option is, one of them gets picked.
Therefore, an honest and fair Random World Generator (RWG) considers every possible world to be equiprobable. But for an infinitude of worlds, the probability of any to be picked is again, exactly (not "effectively") 0.
Here is a simple example. Pick a number from -infinity to +infinity. No matter what number you pick, the probability of you picking that number is 0. What is the probability of you picking a number, 1.
Quote:Moreover, every world would have to be considered and either rejected or picked. It's like you stick your hand in an urn with balls, check out every ball, and pick a hopefully "lucky" one. But no non-rational RWG can fairly consider for selection every member of an infinite set.Thats just BS. I don't have take any time or effort considering each option. Your God might have to do that. A random pick does not.
Think about in the lotter case analogy. The lottery numbers picked is whatever balls that randomly drops into a hole. The balls don't gather together and agree that it's ball 5's turn to go.
Quote:There is another consideration. The RWG can solve the problem of choosing a world by picking an arbitrary world and using that as the solution. But each possible world is for an unintelligent chooser no better and no worse than any other one. How does an impartial RWG pick even an arbitrary world?It doesn't care how much better or worse a universe, it just picks one at random just as the definition of RWG states.
Quote:Now remember that all abstracta are convertible to each other. Thus, we may imagine a world, 1E, with just a single thing in it: an elementary particle. This sort of converts a world into a number. The RWG can then say: "I'll pick the world with the fewest number of particles in it." This immediately narrows down the choice to 1E. But this is already an intelligent choice. The RWG would have to be programmed by an intelligent agent in order to be so clever.RWG picks randomly, no intelligence required. So your last argument is mute.
The result is that the chooser is intelligent and chooses according to an end sought.