(October 23, 2014 at 9:10 pm)datc Wrote:Here's the old evolution is a random process BS. Evolution is not random. Also, a blind watchmaker is a bad analogy for a random process. A better analogy would be a dice roll or a coin flip.(October 23, 2014 at 7:35 pm)Surgenator Wrote: Lets look at the definitions of intelligence and random.Tell to the evolutionary process which, as some people have boldly asserted, has been able to solve a vast number of problems of building highly complex biomechanical systems in cells, organs, and the entire human body, with the help of trial-and-error random mutations (and natural selection).
Intelligence: the ability to apply knowledge.
Random: without definite aim, direction, rule, or method.
An intelligent processes decides by appling some knowledge learned from the situation i.e. it is using a method to decide. A random process is the opposite of that by definition.
Even a blind watchmaker has some IQ.
Quote:Thats because you're not picking randomly.Quote:I have no idea what Buridan's ass comes into play. It has to deals with free will, which is not what we are talking about.Every number looks the same to me; so, I can't choose any particular one.
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Anyway, I think we've already agreed to disagree whether a mechanical RNG can pick a random number from -infinity to +infinity, (1) such that it is possible for it to pick every number and (2) given that the probability of choosing any given number is zero.
An intelligent world generator is also in trouble when dealing with actual infinities. But at least he can narrow down the choices to a finite set by considering the purpose to which he wants to put the world to be picked.
Our disagreement is your assertion that a random choice requires intelligence. From the definitions of intelligence and random, your assertion is wrong. I'm still waiting for a good counter to this.
Also, I can create a RNG that can pick a number from -infinity to infinitiy. All I need is a exisiting non-repeating RNG like this one, scale the result from 0 to 1, take the natural log, and get another random number to decide if I multiply my result by -1 or not. Tada, I have a mechanical random number generator from -infinity to infinity.